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Probably not a recruiter trying to hire you, they are interested in how much people earn in different roles and companies, to build a database.
Probably just a recon call. Shadier recruiters that don’t want to pay for actual data aggregated by companies will sometimes cold call to get a pulse on what competitors are paying their staff.
Either as a way to target snipe talent or just figure out what they need to budget for similar roles. Not the most ethical route but it does happen.
As a note: Don’t be stupid. Don’t reveal what you’re making now to any recruiter. It’s irrelevant and puts you on the back foot in negotiations. All that matters is the range you’re seeking and what their budget is.
Would you guys recruiter cost WhatsApp because I've never seen anybody use WhatsApp
Not sure what the mystery is. Every recruiter I worked with I gave them the number I was at and what I was expecting, this gives them the information they need for leverage and negotiation if the company they are working on tries to shoot low.
I've been in interviews with actual companies that when they came up with a number I just told them that's what I made already and would make the transition not worth it.
It's a recruiter, a person trying to get you a job, just be open with them.
The problem is that it takes leverage from you. The recruiter will try to get a little more instead of what the position should actually pay
There are different kinds of recruiters. The biggest difference is a first party recruiter who works for or has a direct contract with the hiring company and a third party recruiter who may have absolutely no relationship with the hiring company. You should always know who you are talking to. I refuse to work with 3rd party recruiters. They sometimes try to mislead you into thinking they are 1st party. I have certainly dealt with some who seemed like fast talking people with questionable ethics. They will present your info to a hiring company and try to get a “finders fee” out of the company if you are hired. They may ask for info such as your birthday and last four digits of SSN to help prove they have a relationship with you when they ask the company for money. Do your own research. My understanding is these guys (they are invariably men) want a large stack of resumes to show their value to the hiring company. The job you applied for may not even exist. They just want your info. I soured on them because they often called me with contract jobs not even in my field or jobs in my field at very low salaries. I also feel that it is possible to get “trapped” in contract work. You are almost seen as a second class citizen.
That’s another freaking trend started , the hiring ask us what salary expectations are without even letting us know what the compensation range is.
Not just that I am being approached by recruiters where the rates are like a disgrace as low as a freshers with no experience and they want a whole yard list of tech skills and responsibilities you must align to .
I am praying the tech industry revives soon
The first thing you need up front is a detailed job description.
I had a recruiter situation that sounded kind of similar when I was looking this past summer.
They had jobs they at least claimed they were pushing me for. But they would call back relatively frequently without having anything new for me, but they would ask where I was applying and where I had interviews.
I'm not sure if the jobs they had for me were real and just didn't work out since I was looking for remote exclusively, but it definitely seemed like they were using me to try to find new clients to pitch at the very least.
You have. A point
I think the technical term is, he was f'ing with you.
You're right, it's a disturbing trend. While the global economic climate is undeniably challenging, it's no excuse for the rampant unethical practices emerging within HR departments.
We're seeing a surge in ghost job roles, manipulative "idea-mining" disguised as interviews, and an alarming demand for irrelevant personal information, including gender and sexual orientation.
I, too, experienced this unsettling reality when I migrated to North America from Singapore. It seems this problem extends to the UK as well, which is disheartening. It's time we hold HR accountable for their actions and demand ethical recruitment practices.
Those calls are such a waste of time. These recruiters don’t intend to hire you and are just collecting some data… who knows for what
It's a little weird that he was pushy about knowing your current salary when you'd already provided your desired range, which should be sufficient for his purposes. At the same time, I would just give them the information.
I always give myself a slight difference increase of my current salary.
As the old saying goes, he who mentions a number first loses.
Steer clear - he wants to push you into a role that doesn't align with where you want to go and knows its a lowball salary. Or you could just say "competitive"
you say... "fine.. bye...". Sory about this interaction. It is not personal towards you. He seems to be stuck in his way. Does he realize that you could give any number of what your salary was / is ? He also doesn't have the people relations down. You don't tell a potential client that "you might be hiding something."
Your current salary has nothing to do with the value & skills you bring to a new position. People often outgrow the role that they're currently in when it comes to skills and abilities and these are rarely properly compensated. Many people leave their current positions as their pay does not keep up with their value. The salary discussion should never even happen until the interview process is complete and the negotiations begin.
If a recruiter accused me of hiding info about my salary, I'd tell them that it's not relevant to my expected salary in a new position and not to contact me again.
I dont even apply to a job if I dont know the salary range. I dont waste my time if they are not in the ballpark. I did have a recruiter as me how much I was currently make and to bring a W2 to the interview. I was proud to bring it in and explain why I am worth more.
Any hiring manager wanting to know ur current rate ain't taking u serious..
They sometimes do salary market research that way. They want to gain insights on how much is your current salary, with no intention of hiring you. I've seen and experienced shady practices like this.
I have never had a pushy recruiter follow up after a scenario like that. I also would not work with a company that treats opportunities that way.
Apologize to them and end the call. Don’t share … eapecially until you know their range first and trust it’s a real offer.
Yes very odd behaviour from them.
Often a ploy they have - all about meeting their needs (and their clients, if they are 3rd party); not yours. Ploys like- their own research into salary levels at your current company (=none of their business/ confidential) or to look to get you for the lowest they see possible (without disclosing their number of course), so that they hold all the cards- not you.
Don’t do it/ fall for it. Say you are ‘looking for market rate for the role concerned; but this limited information so far doesn’t help me discern what market rate is in this case’. That will put a lump in their throat for a moment.
Dunno if this is overall "normal", but IMHO it is NOT. However it seems to become an unpleasant trend.
I've rarely been asked about this, and that interviews never led to even a tech one, so my personal trend is "asking about current salary == not my future employer".
Good luck anyway!