Other than just filing suit, any tips to force an at-fault driver’s insurer’s hand and get their settlement offer up? I mostly do defense work but am getting into plaintiff’s PI work. On my second auto accident case. Client badly injured. I have an IME stating he can no longer work and an economists report estimating over $500k in lost wages. Another $100k in medical bills. Big liens. At fault-drivers insurance is offering $200k and not disclosing limits.

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Depending on your state, you’ll likely be entitled to a copy of the full policy after filing suit (thereby indicating the limits). Otherwise, the biggest way to apply pressure is usually just to push the pace of discovery and get the depos taken.

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Filing the suit, (while complying with your state’s insurance code on pre-suit requirements) may be the best and cheapest way to find out policy limits. Then you are better positioned to send a demand letter.

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CA here. Off the top of my head. Assuming you have police report saying other guy was at fault. You should probably file suit, and not settle pre litigation given the up side. You are entitled to all insurance information so push the issue and get not just primary but excess policy info. File a motion if they try and be cute, it’s relevant and discoverable. It will also make them uncomfortable disclosing coverage limits. They will also have to put excess policy on notice who will immediately be pressuring primary policy adjuster to make it go away. They may also contribute a small amount to help make it go away. Make a policy limit demand for the presumably 1M primary policy after first round of written discovery and before you do heavy lifting discovery. Also lay it out in formal letter. This way adjuster can easily forward it to their boss to get more authority. Is it a commercial driver? Start deposing management and get PMQ on safety policies, training, and supervision. If non-commercial driver, depose his family members about previous driving accidents, lawsuits, criminal/civil history, drugs and alcohol. Also depose first responders to the accident who will presumably stick to their reports and be sympathetic to your injured not at fault client. I could keep going but assuming know the drill being on defense side. Good luck.

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File it.

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Find out what bad faith remedies you have. I’m in Washington and there are tons for bad faith claims handling. Find out what they are relying on and accepting in damages for their offer of 200k. Have them put their evaluation in writing. X past specials, Y generals, Z future meds, A economic damages…etc. Accepted testimony from this expert, don’t think expert is credible, don’t like your client, found social media that is contradicting to severity of injuries claimed etc. Have them layout why their offer is 200k.

Send a letter requesting adjuster to request permission from their insured to disclose policy limits. Research everything you can about defendant and assets. Evaluate the claim value without knowledge of policy limits. If you think based on all evidence claim is worth 1.5 the send a demand at your subjective value of the claim. Regardless of whether there is a 300k policy or a 1 mil policy plus umbrella, the demand can go out.

Then send a demand with a timeline of all information you have provided and addressing their points that they base their current offer on—with supporting jury verdict research for your claim value.

If that fails keep crawling up adjuster food chain. Start asking for their managers and outline all info you have provided. Document everything and prepare for bad faith action if you have that option in Ohio.

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We love IFCA here in Washington, usually gets GEICO moving on $25k cases

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Demand 10 Million and file suit. If you have that IME opinion, significant bills, a ton of futures through Life Care Planner, and an offer of $200K in presuit, then you need to file on it and litigate it. Don’t try to settle pre-suit - you would likely be doing a disservice to your client.

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By prosecuting the case aggressively you pit the different layers and carriers and their insureds against eachother, expose them to potential liability, and create a scenario where the most palatable outcome for all involved is for you to get a big fat check and go away

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What state are you in? Every state has different laws with respect to pre suit insurance disclosure.

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I’m in Ohio. They don’t have to disclose limits until I file suit. I’m just trying to get their settlement offer up and hopefully settle this pre-suit, and am looking for tips to do that.

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PL1 - Withholding service is a bad idea.

We pay through a third party to get the limits, usually pretty accurate, if not they will reimburse you, PM me for details

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What state? A lot have bad faith laws that will put insurance companies on hook for entire verdict regardless of limits if they don’t settle a valid claim for limits presuit within a certain amount of time after you demand it

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Never heard of disclosure of limits at the very least not being a required disclosure upon request but that’s a large offer for a presuit MVA. How can you know if UM is implicated? Does your state have bad faith demand case law?

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Let’s goooo

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File it. Show ‘em you mean business. Do they have a copy of the IME? They always play these games to save money. It’s how they run their business.

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Lmao tell them if a jury determines that, then so be it. Then file

They’ve made an initial settlement offer and I’d like to respond to it. The problem is if I don’t know their policy limits, I can’t make a policy limits demand unless I just call it that and don’t put a number on it.

Our firm demand language is “$ or the policy limits, whichever is lower. ‘Policy limits’ means and includes any and all insurance including primary, excess and umbrella coverages that the insures the liability of your insured.”

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I spoke to a PI attorney who said to get the adjuster on the phone and see what they had authority to offer. This seems like I’d be putting them on the spot and a letter would be better. Does this work?

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