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I’ve got mixed emotions.
I don’t think most people abuse being home. And I do think there is a loss to culture and learning curve, especially for less senior people.
That said, if everyone isn’t in, it’s a waste of time for the most part. And it puts a financial burden on people who have to go in that is often not compensated vs the fully remote workers. And finally, we all managed for several years.
So until a proper balance is found on how to distribute it the burdens and benefits, it’s just going to be divisive.
Very well said Exec Creative Director I.
I’ve noticed a few comments suggesting that some directors or managers are skeptical when people say working from home is important to them.
I used to be firmly in the “everyone should be in the office” camp. But during COVID, when I started working from home, I realized something simple: I actually got more done.
What I’ve come to understand is that the issue usually isn’t the workers, it’s management. Too often, management isn’t really managing. They collect a paycheck, and mistake visibility for productivity. They feel a sense of control just by seeing someone sitting at a desk.
But that’s not managing performance. Whether someone works from home or in an office shouldn’t matter. What matters is whether the work is getting done, and that’s the manager’s responsibility to track, define, and enforce.
Remote work also removes unnecessary commute time and distractions, which often improves output.
The reality is, corporate loyalty isn’t what it used to be, on either side. So it makes sense that younger workers are pushing back on outdated expectations. If employers want results, they need to focus on accountability and outcomes, not just presence.
whatever they were hired to do, they weren’t hired to make decisions on remote work not, that’s Dimon’s job, and they weren’t hired to manage WFH, prior to the pandemic, what were their responsibilities? that’s their job, back then it didn’t involve managing WFH did it?
What if the company changes policy in a year to 5 days in office? Job search every year? It’s suspicious when people are that obsessed with WFH, it makes you wonder what actually goes on when WFH.
well, for one, working multiple jobs violates most company policies
Director 2- your paycheck includes commuting? You may want to research that one. Companies do not pay people to commute, most labor laws don't require it. Companies pay for productivity period regardless of where your butt is parked.
I wouldn’t even listen to this person, they have no clue what other people are talking about, nobody said compensation is based in part on commuting — totally missed the point, reading comprehension lol
Well this post kind of blew up, with the unsurprising debate about WFH vs RTO. All fine, but the goal is still to learn of companies that still offer remote work, so please keep sharing those here! 🙏
Well, I’m not a boomer, so you are wrong about that. RTO is not the old way, the world is moving from WFH to RTO, so RTO is the new way, which is why this entire post was created in the first place. If the society is not moving to RTO, then OP wouldn’t be asking that question. You can easily google how many people are working for Jamie which proves you wrong that people don’t want to be lead by him. You can speak for yourself, but you don’t speak for all employees at JPM nor the society.
WFH jobs are mostly not real on Linkledin or most job boards. Others want you to have 3-5 years of experience, but dont want to compensate for that experience. Dont bother if you're over 55 years old too. You may get a couple interviews, but if they want a Zoom interview and they see your gray, you will be ghosted.
Depends on what you're an engineer of some firms are looking for Senior Engineers and willing to pay handsomely. While most of the engineers I work with are Remote employees, they still have to go out and meet with clients and visit job sites. So they aren't always remote. Some might have to be out on the road for a few days at a time.
While I am not over 55, I am getting close. But I did do the zoom interview and still got hired. Though my boss is still much younger than me. It can be done if you are looking expand your job market area.
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You're still missing the point!
The legal obligation to accommodate makes it an implicit condition of the employment agreement. You still don't have to do any of it, but if you want to hire people, you are obligated to provide *something* in exchange.
The details of those obligations vary by contract and country. (Again, I'm not in the US, but I am aware of your country).
I am in fact saying that prior to the pandemic many people's lives were not enjoyable! Or less enjoyable! In some of those cases it was definitely due to working out of the office unnecessarily. That is a fact for us, we define that fact by saying so, end of.
It is also a fact that happiness derives significantly from comparing expectations and reality, inconvenient though that fact may be.
And yes I am stating as a fact that periods of my life were not worth living and I do in fact regret trying to survive them. It is my life to value and your opinion on it is irrelevant.
As to your "fact": it is a fact that some people abuse their employment and didn't work adequately, before, during, and after the pandemic. It is NOT a fact that this is due to WFH. I garauntee you those people do their utmost to abuse their job to the fullest extent possible in any circumstance. What they are actually doing at work is carefully conning you into believing otherwise, and at THAT they got lazy when at home.
The rest of us of know it because we have to keep the lights on in spite of them. It is not our fault that you are too incompetent to recognise those people, and yet your ego expects us to pay the price to preserve your world view.
Again I want to remind you that we are here trying to discuss work that suits us, leaving you to your own business, and you came in trying to intefere.
Get a therapist and leave the rest of us out of it, thanks.
Bold of you to assume that I've not engaged in therapy! 😉 but I believe I more or less understand your point.
I am somewhat aware of the situation in the US, yes.
I think we are in agreement that this post is fairly obviously not the audience for D2/D3's comments.
At one point I had hoped to learn something useful or novel from engaging but on that I think I too am the fool.
I've been WFH for 6 years now. My productivity actually increased in a WFH atmosphere. But, I'm an isolated case as I'm an empty nester and made changes in my home to actually treat part of my home as an office. In turn, my firm has been able to reduce their monthly rent expense by acquiring a much smaller office space, not having a contract for a central printer, etc.
It's been a win/win situation for our company, BUT - you have to have a team of people that can thrive in that environment.
If your firm is hiring other remote positions, please share the name so I can check it out!
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Accenture but it’s based on project. Mine has been remote for 3 years.
Thanks, will look into them.
Jack Henry was already more than 50% remote pre-covid. Today that number is around 80%, I think and it’s a model that works. Great FinTech company to be a part of! https://careers.jackhenry.com/
Thank you, I will take a look!
Great question Director 2, if it can be done fully remotely and we can ship jobs elsewhere, why are they keeping you?
By the way, as to the conmute/worker's compensation piece...again ...your words here
Quoting Director 2
"But before the pandemic everything was manageable right? You are paid by the way, you aren’t working for free, the paycheck you get includes commuting."
Not sure why people working from home that have no impact on your job or career upsets you so much. Theres plenty of other comments you made that are even more telling of your condescending view of your colleagues, attacking folks capable of living fuller lives because they can do their jobs remotely might not be your best hill to die on.
No, I didn’t say my job can be done fully remotely, you said your job can be done fully remotely.
Correct, the paycheck you get includes commuting, what’s your point? Your paycheck includes everything you need to do to meet your job requirements, and if being in office is one of the requirements, and you need to commute in order to be in the office, then when you accept the paycheck, you agreed to commute to the office, what don’t you get?
Not sure why people not working from home that have no impact on your job or career upsets you so much. Same logic. Which hill is the best to die on is your opinion, not a fact.
Before you look elsewhere, was this a general announcement that you must attend the office? Does your current employment contract state that you can work remotely?
Perhaps just check on your options from what you already have in writing first - if it's in your contract that you can work remotely, then problem solved!
If it doesn't, and an announcement has been sent to all, could you speak with your Manager and ask for a remote working contract, as your team is not based in the office, and it doesn't make sense to attend and sit having meetings just to be in the office.
Perhaps your Manager can liaise with HR for you, and see if there is a better solution? Don't threaten that you will leave the company if they cannot accommodate, they could fire you, just be very pleasant about it and not frustrated.
I hope you find my comments helpful, I have worked in HR for over 20 years, 17 years at Partner level.
employment contract? Let me guess you arent in the US? because regular employees do not have employment contracts only contrators do.
Nothing quite says being out of touch quite like that statement
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Director 2 interesting to see how you actually try to eliminate the accident being a reportable and don't consider it a worker's compensation incident yet you claim the commute is part of the job. Reflects your practices.
Interesting to see how you actually trying to include it as being a reportable and a worker’s compensation incident, commuting to the office is part of YOUR job to show up at the office to perform the job you were hired to do, you were not hired to perform the task of commuting. The law doesn’t require employers to compensate employees’ commuting cost. Why should they? It’s not their fault that you chose to live far away. I walk to work, because I didn’t make a poor decision to live far way from office.
Also, please learn how to reply to a thread, lol.
Director 2....so by your logic if an employee gets into an accident during their commute, you're classifying that as a worker's compensation incident and handling their medical accommodations accordingly and directing the employed to follow your company's worker's compensation protocols, right? I mean....your words, your logic....their commute is required to perform their job and the compensation isn't itemized.
no, those are your words, your logic, not mine — commute to the office is part of the job, accident is not
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Siemens is very WFH friendly
Thank you, will look into them.
RTO is a double edged sword IMO. It was originally for 2 weeks back in March 2020. May 2026, we are still working from home. But, I will say that there are blended employees who still commute a few days per week. The reason why I say a double edged sword is because as soon as you flip that switch and make everyone come back full time in-office, you will lose productivity and eventually some personnel. People need to adjust to their work environment. Not being around 100’s of people on a daily basis to suddenly being around them would make most people’s anxiety spike.
To the original poster’s question… good luck. There are remote jobs out there but you will be lucky to hear back from them. My advice to you is, plan your life’s biggest ticket items around the possibility of returning to the office. I bought a house further away from the city and a thirsty truck… but I also knew that there could be a point I would have to return to the office full time. So I can’t complain when that switch does get flipped.
Wow, there is allot of hate against people working remotely. After having done so for 3 years now. I can say we are more productive that any time in my past 35 years doing this. Working remotely the work life balance is off the charts. My manager know fairly quickly if your not doing your job as projects don't get done and deadlines get missed.
Once you see what companies have to spend per month just to provide a single worker with a place to sit and work and drink coffee and be able to use the bathroom, usually a break room involved to eat lunch. It gets into the thousands per person per month. All of that gets deducted as the company does not pay for remote workers office set up. The company I work for only sent me a laptop and docking station and couple of monitors. and needed computer stuff. As well our employee handbook has a dedicated section on Remote work and what is still expected of us and what they will not be paying for. Such as office cleaning and what not. Most in our team have a dedicated spare room in the house from which we work.
From what I can tell the Remote jobs are there. But instead of people competing with a few hundred people locally in their current city, once a company opens a job up to remote work, now you are competing nationally and there are thousands of applications. So, one needs to be on their A game and willing to work on a national competitive salary depending on Where you are living that could mean a boost in pay or a cut in pay.
This is exactly why I found a hybrid job, made myself important, and then told them I'm moving.. Without hesitation — they told me I can go full remote. Everyone else is in the office 3 days a week.