Ok so don’t vilify me too quickly. I have a client that doesn’t want white men in presentations. I DO understand why! It gives other people opportunity they deservedly need and we’ve been in enough client faces for a lifetime. But it also DOES feel…bad. And I get that too. This is how other people have felt. My question is what do I do with these bad feelings that who I am isn’t wanted. I can’t process this with my real name on Twitter. I’d get massacred. And I feel like trying to find (cont)…

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You’re a CD, think about how everyone who is not a white man struggles to even get to where you are. I have been in this business for 8 years and never had a POC CD. I have had one woman CD. This is one client in your whole career who wants to give opportunities to underrepresented groups, think about how privileged you are, and what a privilege and a joy it can be to offer that platform to people who deserve it but don’t normally have the opportunity, because they lack the societal privileges that you take for granted. Reframe your situation and perhaps it won’t feel so bad.

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I appreciate this. This is what I was trying to communicate in the post.

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There's a difference between a positive ask and a negative ask. "We need more diversity on this team" is a positive ask. It's a sign of a progressive company that makes space for all people, and is able to connect with all customers and audiences. Clients increasingly make this a KPI for their agencies. It becomes a negative ask when the client phrases it as no white men, or the agency interprets it as asking white men not to attend meetings. That replaces an old discrimination with a new one.

Honestly the best way to resolve this is by hiring, welcoming and promoting women and people of color, so your company has a more diverse bench of talent. You have to do this intentionally over time. If your company is dealing with this by casting people in and out of client meetings to appear more diverse, it is fumbling the issue rather than solving it.

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Real talk when does this get labeled racism?

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I'm not a POC but I was a welfare baby. I think these issues run deep and are not easily solved.

When you give poor people the opportunity its so fucking isolating going from living in a house without electricity commuting to work to listen to your coworkers talking about remodeling their kitchen.

That is the only thing I can relate to in terms of what it feels like to have a completely different life experience. Even if you are a POC who wasn't in poverty I imagine it's still very isolating.

Rich people don't want to work with poor people in corporate either because we force them out of their safe happy bubble and make them feel uncomfortable with our poverty but no one ever talks about that.

Personally I'm tired of seeing full teams of only white men or only men. I don't think they should be punished for it but if you have wealth and power you really have a responsibility to educate yourself and understand how much you can change someone's life. I think that is the biggest take away someone in management should have when asked to share the spotlight and opportunities.

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I’m not white. But what your client is requesting seems to go against the spirit of diversity. The point is to have a variety of perspectives, and that includes white men.

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Why do you act like being white is some kind of wealthy club?
Poor white people exist and I can assure you that wealthy white women treat them just as shitty as any minority.

Being white might get you the interview faster but the second they find out you're not like them they will make sure you're gone and they don't want you there. I've experienced this personally multiple times from multiple races of wealthy individuals.

White women living in poverty and all women have suffered at the hands of men and wealthy people. It's hypocritical and racist to act like that experience doesn't exist. The wealthy are the 1%, they are not your everyday coworkers.

Please check your harmful toxic views, stop generalizing and attacking people. Name individuals, hold individuals accountable.

I think it's totally normal and ok for you to feel sad/bad/upset about this. Sucks to feel like your voice/opinions don't matter even when you understand why it's happening.

Your feelings are normal and you shouldn't feel guilty that you're having them. But yes, you do have to "eat them" if you want to continue working productively with this client and also with your coworkers. Your coworkers are now getting to grow as a result of experience they otherwise may have missed out on. If you value the people around and below you, that should at least help lessen the sting.

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We have enough white people representing everywhere, your client is awesome. Im a white middle age straight man and I applaud your client, my ego is not that fragile

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This is not applaudable, I’m sorry. Are we trying to build a better society or are we just ok with over correcting and retaliating against the “oppressor race” with oppressive actions (big or small)? Isn’t the whole point that everybody gets to sit on the table?

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Did the client explicitly say they don’t want white men in presentations or was it interpreted that way?

I remember a retailer said they wanted a POC in a leading role and a diverse team on the account bc there’s no way the team should be all white men and it was interpreted as “no white men.”

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I hear you, OP. But, you have to remember nothing is being taken from you. Things are being redistributed and rebalanced.

I know it’s hard to see it that way being on the other side. But, you’ll be fine. There’s nothing to fear.

Plus, for the foreseeable future you have systematic racism on your side! It’s going to take decades to truly dismantle. By then, you’ll be way over this game. See? All good!

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Getting my book together for when agencies start hiring straight white people again.

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Straight facts.

That just seems like bad business on the clients part. Having representation from all different segments will make work stronger, eliminating one segment of the population to make up for past errors isn’t helpful either.

And I say this as a WOC, who could tell you a million sexist/racist work stories from over my long career.

OP you sound sincere, I don’t have any solutions to offer but I do empathize.

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Other people shining does not mean one have to shine less. It means a brighter path for all.

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Honest question — is your client white?

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(Cont)…trying to find support with other people like me will lead to groups of white guys who have the wrong reason to be upset. So am I just supposed to eat these feelings? Thanks for listening.

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If you really think this is what’s wrong with the current moment you must live in a nice bubble. Id not want to work with either of you so that’ll make things easier.

I don’t want to be in any room where there is any one race “not allowed”

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You’re probably in more of those rooms than you think.

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Here's a question that I've always wondered about in these situations: how does it feel to POC when this happens? For me I would imagine it not feeling that good. Essentially it's box ticking or tokenism in my opinion. Did the chosen presenter even work closely on the project? (If so that's a valid reason for them to represent) I've always felt this kind of overcorrection was demeaning...but maybe that's not how it feels to POC or any marginalized group?

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I’m a latinx immigrant and I’ve been in that position through out my career. My question is how does that solve anything in the long run?

Racism is unacceptable. Period. Take care of it immediately. The end.

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Why wouldn’t they have worked on the project? If any agency has to go pluck a random POC to participate, they need to evaluate why that it is. More often than not, my experience is being spoken over despite my leading every role.

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That seems really exclusive. So even if they do the work, they don’t get to be recognized in the meeting?

Its still discrimination no matter what the color, file that claim

It’s no sleight on you. Eventually you’ll meet the client and interact. Just take a load off, grab a pint, and ask how the meeting went.

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