Question for the group: how do you think the WW2 vets would feel about the current state of Europe and culture given the spectacle at the Olympics? I only ask given France just seems…. Very different than when they fought there.

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25ish years ago the movie saving Private Ryan came out. It was described as the most realistic dday scene ever created. My grand parents raised me, and my grandfather was a ww2 vet.

I’ve always been fascinated with WW2 history and studied it extensively. So when the movie came out I rented it from blockbuster to watch (I know I’m dating myself - I was probably 15 years old at the time).

So I asked him, “do you want to watch saving Private Ryan with me. I hear it’s the most realistic dday scene.” His response was “no. That’s ok. I was there. I know what it was really
like.”

I dont think he or others of his generation that served and liberated Europe would care what they do as long as they’re free to choose their path.

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Interesting perspective A1, thank you for offering it up.

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Yes, France is different from when they fought there. It’s not filled with Nazi censorship and forced movement of certain segments of the population. Believe it or not, that freedom of expression and movement is exactly what those, and US veterans before and after, were fighting for. I never asked my grandfather about WW2 in Europe because he was in the pacific.

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Thanks for the comment. My question was also spurred on by this interview https://youtu.be/wcnQJd_XRQQ?si=MXJ9rgReqWSmeb-8

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Nothing to see here! Move along!

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Dude, just say it, if WW2 restarted you’d be on the opposite side. One of the sides would have clearly made this illegal…

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Danke 😂

It was the other side that was strongly against “deviant art” not the French and other Allies… just sayin…

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I loved Frances opening show. I think it was great that the drag queens were given such a prominent position. I typically do not watch the Olympics but after I saw all the comments about the opening ceremony I went back to watch some of it and this was my favorite part.

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Noted. However, my question still stands.

My grandfather and several great uncles fought in France in WW2, and they didn't care all that much about France itself. In the 1990s the French government was giving medals to Americans who had served in the liberation, and I read about it in the newspaper. I asked my grandfather if he'd like to me write to the French embassy and arrange for him to receive a medal. He told me not to bother, he really didn't care. He saw himself as having fought for his own country, it just happened that he landed and went across France. His ashes are in the columbarium at Arlington now (I did later arrange for that) and I'm sure this fake controversy about the Olympics program would have him rolling his eyes at the people concerned about it.

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I appreciate the insights. Your family sounds incredible.

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Also, my grandpa who earned a Silver Star, Bronze Star, and Purple Heart in Normandy on 6-7 June 1944 would not give a f—-.

That show wasn’t his kind of entertainment but his reaction would be something along the lines of he’s glad the Nazis with their censorship and brutality are gone from Paris and the French are free and would probably say something like “it’s the French being French, what do you expect?”

He was a lifelong Republican and Christian who came from a family that only voted Republican since Lincoln in case you’re wondering.

Freedom means other people can do stuff you don’t agree with and vice versa.

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My Dad fought in WW2 and my Mom was the only survivor of her family and didn’t escape East Germany until 1949. She weighed 86 pounds.

I’m also an Army veteran and grew up believing that freedom is the most precious right.

There was absolutely nothing I saw during the opening ceremonies that offended me. Someone’s faith or religion has to be pretty fragile if it can’t stand up to artistic expression or commentary.

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UPDATE TO MY ORIGINAL POST: As an example, we should always be open to learning. I have discovered through additional reading of interviews with the artistic director of the Olympics opening ceremony that the aggrieved need not worry.

This was not a drag Last Supper. This was a bacchanal. A celebration to the Greek god Bacchus, who resides in Mt. Olympus.

Why do you think you know what the Paris of the 30s and early 40s was like? FWIW, they absolutely had drag shows.

https://www.theguardian.com/music/2017/sep/14/pansy-craze-the-wild-1930s-drag-parties-that-kickstarted-gay-nightlife

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SP1, i definitely disagree with you on that point but do thank you for commenting.

I can’t imagine why any of this even matters. Europe is free. France is free. This is evident of that.

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I think at least from my own time in the service (and my grandpa also fought in wwii) I never got the sense that the majority was Christian. I’m not sure what the actual numbers were but I was always surrounded by any number of people from different walks of life.

They have also been a frenemie.

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