Sally Yates - acting attorney general just got fired for speaking out against the ban EO

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That's really not accurate. Justice has always been independent. She said she didn't think the order was lawful. Therefore, she was fired very specifically because she did her job. This is very Nixonian.

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No she got fired for refusing to defend it in court, her job.

And I applaud her for being putting her morales over her position. I think the ban is about as unAmerican as it gets. But she was fired for saying that she would not do her job, not for speaking out

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She was fired for not following the order. Very different. I hate this guy but let's be clear about what he is and isn't doing.

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D2: No, justice has always been a part of the executive branch. This is no more Nixonian than Obama directing his AGs to ignore the enforcement of certain laws... Or his decision to not defend certain laws...

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D2: I was making both arguments actually! Justice is not independent!
Also, did Trump fire her for investigating him? Oh, what's that... No? Then it wasn't the same thing. She was fired for not listening to the presidents order. The same as I am sure Obama would have fired any of his AGs if they had started enforcing laws he didn't want enforced or if they had defended DOMA in court...

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@D3 are you making technical arguments or are you actually arguing against the premise of an independent justice department? I wasn't making an argument about an org chart, and find it ironic you make such a literal argument as rebuttal.

Guessing you won't do your own research, but here's a link for you:

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Saturday_Night_Massacre

D3 is right. Obama ordered the AG and DOJ to enact policy by selectively enforcing and not enforcing policies.

You mean like how he didn't fire Comey (or really engage at all) for investigating Clinton?

D1: Yup! Did you miss the whole not defending the DOMA? Or the different immigration laws he had them ignore?

D2: Again, who was Yates investigating?? We are discussing the DOJ carrying out policy. Not investigations...

From Sally Yates' Senate confirmation hearing:

JEFF SESSIONS: You have to watch out because people will be asking you to do things you just need to say “no” about. Do you think the Attorney General has the responsibility to say no to the President if he asks for something that’s improper? A lot of people have defended the [Loretta] Lynch nomination, for example, by saying, “Well [Obama] appoints somebody who’s going to execute his views. What’s wrong with that?” But if the views the president wants to execute are unlawful, should the Attorney General or the Deputy Attorney General say no?

YATES: Senator, I believe the Attorney General or the Deputy Attorney General has an obligation to follow the law and the Constitution, and to give their independent legal advice to the president.

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