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I was in the final stages of an interview with Microsoft two weeks ago, in partner marketing. Then the recruiter told me they were putting the hiring process on hold to assess the need for the role. Well, then we heard about Microsoft layoffs last week. Seems like most were in Xbox and Project Alpha but there’s not a lot of information out there. Should I hold out any hope that I’m going to get this job? Any insights on how much these layoffs have impacted the marketing org and/or new hiring?
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OP, clearly you have your answer.
I am still curious what analysis you were going to do on Mark Zuckerberg. According to FY 2018 filing, he received $1 base pay, no equity or bonus incentives, no stock awards, no equity options, and just 22.5 million in other comp that was 100% related to security (90%) and transportation use (10%).
Assuming your reasons are based on your reservations about the ethics etc of these firms - How are google founders any better or worse than mark zuckerberg in terms of privacy and data overreach or their compensation?
I have had worse targeted ads in my google searches and my google apps than face book which to be honest makes me feel
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I think it’s fair to want to work for a company where you respect their leadership...
This was a bad move, having an offer from FB is one of the principal ways to drive up your compensation offers. Tech companies won’t pay you any more than they need to, once you’re above their typical offer, unless you force it
Yes, i am sure you are going to set mark’s comp. he is worth 68 billion dollars and cares a lot about your recommendation.
As an exec comp consultant you’ll know he takes no salary and whatever he does get goes towards security. Hard to set a salary of zero.
You may or may not be dumb but your reasoning sure is.
Savage lol
I get it...wouldn’t work for Facebook either. Their culture is very mission oriented, yet I’m not sure I’m happy with what their mission has done to the world.
Check out average total compensation ranges then post back here as to whether declining FB’s interview was a bad idea.
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Thanks all to those who read, answered, and provided rationale. And to those who didn’t read or don’t get it, I have clients with $0 salary and you would be surprised what we still do on an annual basis concerning compensation assessments and recommendations for the board. And if you think Mark Z. is a dumb example, then use Sheryl S. as the example.Also, I am not going to get the large equity grants the software engineers or bus ops / ops strategy roles will. Comp between the two are comparable.
Sounds like your mine has been made up since you got the first outreach 😉
No I didn’t, and my world of consulting is different most other worlds and everyone seems to put them in the same categories. So I wanted other people to challenge my assumptions and provide different perspectives that I might not have arrived at myself.
Is still think you should take the interview and use the potential offer to either accelerate with Google or drive up your compensation.
Seems like the only logical move here; regardless of what you think about FB
No. Not bragging, not trying to flex. Serious question. I don’t understand the hype around Facebook and I am an exec comp consultant.
And don’t worry, I am not going to get the huge equity grants you strategy guys will.
I don't think just because you dislike the CEO, you shouldn't deter yourself from considering FB. You might enjoy the people and environment more and it is likely you will never associate yourself to FB's overall motives/strategy.
If you do not like the business model for sustainability or for ethical reasons, it is okay to skip. Same reasons many here don't want to work for JUUL or Philip Morris ( I know those two are extreme examples, I am just trying to make a point here).
I don’t think I could work at FB. Seems like one strict regulation could kill it, too.
At Google as an exec comp consultant, I would be working to set the pay of the leadership which includes the CEO. Hence my focus and worry about Mark Z. Again not a flex, but I see people here wanting to get into FANG companies and I want to get into ANG, so I wanted to see if I was being dumb or not.
Deep dive into perquisites because that security payment / cost covering is stupid. Realizable pay analyses on a targeted list of CEO’s, deep dive into the incentive plans for target list of CEO’s, especially given MSFT’s steady rise and his potential payouts, future stock price modeling to predict payouts, and even though he doesn’t receive comp, we would have to develop recommendations to the committee for typical pay if he wasn’t a majority owner.
It isn’t complicated stuff, but it is really encompassing since there are really like 5-8 people that would be considered a peer.
I don’t really use the Facebook platforms a lot and with Google, I haven’t heard of any breaches and they do with the data Google has on me has proved to be useful to me. However, I have no idea what goes on behind closed doors. But their strategy is diversifying more and they are executing on that. So while data will be important, it will play less of a role in the future.
The compensation of Sundar and founders is better from a governance perspective than FB. But the founders are in the same boat and Marc Z concerning wealth, but they serve more as governors from what I have read whereas Marc Z is really driving things. I also view Eric’s departure from Google as a good step towards better governance.
One of the main reasons for this post was to see if I was really underestimating the value / opportunity of a career at FB. I would prefer Google, but if that falls through, I can reach out to FB and see what happens.
What was the point of asking the question? You clearly already had your mind made up before posting.
I've heard stories about working at FB from a colleague who was there. If you have a single ethical bone in your body, you're not going to like it.