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As a women, I use “you guys” interchangeably. Not that big a deal to me.
Thanks. I knew most women wouldn’t find it offensive either.
Slalom is highly focused on inclusivity - I worked there for a few years and it was always unacceptable to use “you guys”. I’ve also worked at Catholic health systems where the use of triggering and violent language such as “bullet points” or “shoot you an email” were not allowed.
Just points out how different organizational cultures are. My two cents - you call him out, there’s potential for bitterness between you two and you’re at a client so … unprofessional of him to call you out in a general audience but no need to reciprocate
As a woman who is supposedly the one “harmed” by that phrasing I see no issue with “you guys” and I say it all the time. I am from Chicago though…
I resonate with him. It’s just a simple vocabulary change. Perhaps he could have talked to you better about it so you didn’t feel like you were “wrong” but the messaging is solid. We should all try to adopt more inclusive language. Doing so is definitely a learning curve but I feel so much stronger in my communication skills by understanding my words better and adopting small changes
Just no
I saw two men in leadership roles from my practice post on LI about this, urging people to stop using “guys” because it marginalizes women. Literally the next day two females on my team used “guys” to address the team on a call 😂.
I’m from the east coast so “guys” is a big part of my vernacular. I try to limit it just bc I don’t care enough to try to fight the system on something so silly. But whenever I see people trying to change the way people speak I lose a lot of respect for them and, tbh, pity them.
It is a little weird to say men but then refer to women as "females" in the same post though. Either reduce everyone to their sex or don't do it at all imo
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My view is it has become such common vernacular that it doesn’t really represent a gendered term in conversation. Feel like anyone I’ve heard of having an issue with it is searching for a problem.
On a side note I did have someone a long time ago tell me as a “rule of thumb” you shouldn’t use terms like that. I then proceeded to tell her one of the old uses of the “rule of thumb” term. Seems like many of us use language with loaded history without the intent of offending people…
Rising Star
In English common law. Yes, there was a lot of satire, but in the US there were some is court cases in the 1860s and 1870 that applies the rule of thumb to a switch in domestic violence cases. A case of satire being adopted as reality.
Rising Star
I’m from the NYC area and hear people say you guys all the time. Think it’s more a San Fran thing then a Slalom thing lol
I am female and use "you guys" all the time because thats what im used to. Even if there are mostly girls - I end up saying you guys.
Rising Star
A man once said the same thing to me, a woman, when I used the term. Wasn't really sure what to make of that...
Nothing wrong with that, this guy is too sensitive/“woke”
I use it and I’m F. Just started saying you all, everyone, or *cringe* folks
*gasp* I’m one of those folks people
Am I
Cheugy?
You guys is not really broadly business appropriate anymore and I’ve seen the issue brought up at Accenture.
I personally think it’s fine, but there are people who will get their feathers rustled. It’s funny hearing people search for alternates on calls that just sound out of place. “friends” “everyone” “all” etc.
Also from NY and always used to saying guys or you guy as a catch-all. Really don’t like the work folks, so “everyone” or “guys” is what I will use.
There was a similar thread about this earlier. Seems like different people take it in different ways. As a woman, I use “you guys” a lot and it’s hard to sub in the moment but I try to be a little more aware and I try to not use it so that I don’t offend anyone. I personally don’t see it as a way for someone to put me down in any way but that’s just how I grew up.
I think its just a Californian issue - but in the same vein they have alot of other issues too...
Definitely far more likely to encounter issues with this in Cali vs Nyc
Female here. I use "you guys" even when addressing a group of all women. Have heard multiple women do the same. Never came across anyone who took offense to it.
I’m ex Slalom. Try using “hi folks” or “hi team.” It’s all inclusive and gender neutral.
Some people are quiet touchy about that. I’ve resorted to using ‘folks’ as a happy medium when it’s a mixed audience. And I’m not afraid of slipping and using ‘guys’ when I know it’s a room with men/ individuals who don’t second think the ‘guys’ think. That’s how I operate. Don’t know if it’s compatible/ compliant in the current setting
Just say you all
Chief
“Folks” is a safe haven.
Getcher country on and say y'all like the rest of us
I moved from NYC to Atl years ago and I can’t make myself say y’all without it sounding super awkward and unnatural hahah