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Temporary. Everywhere, not just big tech.
There is alot of truth in your comments. We were taught that the company rewarded loyalty, determination, sacrifice, etc. But it is based on the culture and not so much as policy. Policy is used only as a tool to get rid of someone who has offended a new manager or the friend of one.
How would you explain working for a major company, when the year before you earned 17-18 power of you awards, with each one worth $25.00 to $250.00. Only to be told the next year with new people new leaders in place that your work is suddenly not up to par.
You find a quality and safety issue that cost the company a good deal of money to pull off the shelves and should have cost a few people their jobs.
Co-workers, many you considered friends, to just turn the other way while you got burned. No longer company loyalty providing the attitude of the bosses only their desire to see you gone. Then about a year later the cover up was exposed and the company terminated the plant manager
Department manager, line manager, not forhaving participated in the cover up, but for being outsiders and convenient.
Loyalty would have come to me and offered my employment back.
I guided my life around loyalty. But not certain I will anymore.
So temporary and fleeting. I refuse to bend over backwards for a company anymore. Trust no employer.
Feeling that as well
Its important to always pause: and see the POV from the other person prespective. I got over my fear of flying because I realized the Pilot also want to go home safely too. You also have to realized BUSINESS is in business for their own needs, not yours. The goal is to make money for themselves. You and millions would never be laid off; except that pesky law on slavery labor for $0.00. You are paid as "the cost of doing business". Starting my own business help me see the POV of every business on earth. The initial business is plan never involved you or employing you, you never came to mind. the person that owns 51% of the shares is the only individual that is a "team player" and loyalty matters.
20+ years of Experience as a Top Performer in selling SaaS Solutions
I learned this a long time ago. Never love something that does not love you back. That also goes for loyalty, particularly when it comes to employers.
All income vehicles are temporary by the nature of both humans and businesses. You should not expect your alignment with your employer to last longer than 3 years in any professional environment.
I have worked as a software developer for big and small companies, early stage startups and 100,000 person companies traded on the public markets.
Your keys to longevity is keeping abreast of the corporate politics and helping your boss make them and the team look good. This does have a ring of "selfless teamwork".
However, never take your eye off the corporate politics and economic winds in the company. Too many down quarters and your whole group may become a target. Your team may try to survive by letting you go if you are deemed "surplus to requirements".
It's a tough business: so make friends, contacts, keep goodwill with your co-workers across as much of the company as you can (bosses, boss's boss, etc., other people across the company). These people may help you in your career going forward.
In other words, everything should be an investment in your career, even hard-work and selfless teamwork advances your reputation and future employment.
I’ve been laid off three times in 20 years. I grew up in an era where you stayed and were loyal to your employer and your employer treated you well. That’s what my father experienced and he conveyed that to me. He instilled a hard work ethic but I began to see the cracks in the early part of my career. I began to see people clambering to get ahead at the expense of others. Managers picking their favorites to keep from letting go all the while preaching on social media how holier than thou they were with social causes. Employers as well, how they were inclusive, diverse, and just. Lmao just to hang you out to dry. It’s all a ruse.
There's no such thing as a company being loyal, especially to employees. Everything is the bottom line. When push comes to shove you're expendable. Do your job nothing more nothing less.
Temporary -- the rest is BS. Work is business not family or friendship. I spent 40 years in tech -- glad I'm retired now
people who "cling" to people cling to companies they need a sense of belonging but business has no need for people - it has a need for profit so if its a corporation like oracle then just look at its layoff and turnover history .. also with regards to Big tech unless you own it you will always be at risk so thats why startups work for some
Temporary dear.
There is no loyalty anymore. Just do what's best for yourself. You are a number and nothing else, unfortunately.
Companies are loyal to profits not people.
Loyalty does not equal performance. Unfortunately when companies go through a layoff situation, typically there is a number, or dollar figure they want to reach. Yes, companies will evaluate those they are going to layoff, impact the business, customer etc. you could be the most highly skilled individual and still be let go. Long hours I could care less about, that tells me you can get your work done in a workday. Being a team player, great, mad of the job should be a great. You may be loyal to the company, however they will not be loyal to you. My suggestion is in your next job find the balance
Oh I'd say loyalty definitely still exists...
...to the almighty dollar!
It's always temporary. Always. A company never loves you back. You can love your team and your colleagues but at the end it's a business transaction, a job. You do some labor for some money.
In tech, loyalty isn’t a promise. It’s a contract of convenience. Companies aren’t people. They don’t feel loyalty; they feel pressure, targets, markets, and shareholder expectations. You can give them your best years, your long nights, your results — and still be cut the moment the numbers shift. That’s not personal. That’s structural.
I was laid off from my job of 7 years. It's not the first time, this industry has gone through waves like this before. I always have savings to last 3-4 months.
In most cases to an employer, you are a liability not an asset. Keep that in mind. Use any perks afforded to you to increase your skills so that when things get grim it is easier for you to move on.
In this tech age, working in tech industry nothing is permanent, all company thinks about is their cost cutting and annual profits. Even hard working people are kicked out as part of cost cutting purpose.
Sorry to hear of your layoff. After 18.5yrs with the same telecom co loyalty meant absolutely nothing for me. I think this mindset is here to stay.