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There is alot of truth in your comments. We were taught that the company rewarded loyalty, determination, sacrifice, etc. But it is based on the culture and not so much as policy. Policy is used only as a tool to get rid of someone who has offended a new manager or the friend of one.
How would you explain working for a major company, when the year before you earned 17-18 power of you awards, with each one worth $25.00 to $250.00. Only to be told the next year with new people new leaders in place that your work is suddenly not up to par.
You find a quality and safety issue that cost the company a good deal of money to pull off the shelves and should have cost a few people their jobs.
Co-workers, many you considered friends, to just turn the other way while you got burned. No longer company loyalty providing the attitude of the bosses only their desire to see you gone. Then about a year later the cover up was exposed and the company terminated the plant manager
Department manager, line manager, not forhaving participated in the cover up, but for being outsiders and convenient.
Loyalty would have come to me and offered my employment back.
I guided my life around loyalty. But not certain I will anymore.
So temporary and fleeting. I refuse to bend over backwards for a company anymore. Trust no employer.
Feeling that as well
Loyalty can exist, between individuals. Companies are driven by profits. And especially when leadership changes, all bets are off.
Never believe in Loyalty in the first place
They will use the phrase "but we are family". I've been no contact with my actual family for 5 years. Best decision of my life. Toxic relationships are hard to get out of. It does indeed get better in the end.
There is always one side loyalty. Most companies are at-will companies. You are only there as long as you are needed.
"We all family here"
Ex-big tech…. It’s all temporary. I bought the lifestyle for years but after getting let go (forced out) and seeing all my work mates losing their jobs to, I’m now woken up
Being from Latin America as you can imagine I have survived multiple changes and lay-offs myself, much more than any American can fathom. The communion of interest between employer and employee is only temporary. Something happens along the way and the company doesn't need you any more or you are not motivated as before. It's a fact of life.
We'll lesson learned, i can imagine you selling-out being a team player, being a part of that so-call culture. At least you were able to stay awhile. When people stop being a slave and puppet, Game over and reset for these companies and country. Monday - Friday, 30plus years of servitude, you broken down and sick cannot enjoy a quality of life, going to doctors, further feeding the system. Don't how to survive without a 9-5 job. You programmed.
Your first mistake was having any loyalty. Companies sure as h3ll don't care about us, so we shouldn't be busting our butts for them and expecting any kind of loyalty in return.
You're a number, included in a grand total that's seen by someone who doesn't even know you.
As far as trust goes, you should just balance what is healthy for you, and your family, and do what you were hired to do as best you can. You may get some kudos and rewards, but don't expect in the long term that they'll keep you because you've worked hard.
super negative, maybe, but I've been around a while. :)
How long have you worked in corporate?
It's been decades since "loyalty" has gotten more than lip service. Your immediate manager may recognize and appreciate your commitment and capabilities, but upper managegement's incentives are based on relatively short-term ROI and vendor-sponsored software implementations. I've done both contract and full-time stints at a wide range of enterprises, banking, healthcare, governmental, energy, entertainment, etc. And, in that time, I actually found more job security as a contractor, in a sense. I had a defined project time and many were extended (though some weren't). Since my project deliverable would be clearly defined, I could just focus on that. I personally experienced layoffs of full-time employees, while I remained, because the already-funded project I was working on was still a priority. Of course there were times those funds might dry up and I was out, but I was getting paid better than an employee and the risk was built into the rate.
The problem is that incentive structure for management has little to do with growing and rewarding loyal, long-term employees. Like traffic on the highway, you'll be unhappy as long as you see people "cutting me off, blocking the lane I need to move into, slowing me down," etc. Once you realize they all have their own motivations having nothing to do with you, you'll have a level of detachment, better understanding what DOES motivate them, enabling you to better tune your own communications to those realities. It's the SAME with employment: Management has its goals, you have yours; understand where they align and where they don't and plan accordingly.
Just an addendum: Some specialties make retention more important to management. When I was maintenance &/or support, I became much more someone management wanted to hold onto. E.g. As a Database Adminstrator, patching, trouble-shooting, fixing problems, I outlasted multiple layoffs and changes of direction. Even there, if they bought a new system with a new database management system, suddenly, I was obsolete.
On the other hand, as a Data Modeler/Data Architect, almost by definition, management thought of me as the first phase of a development project and unloaded me as soon as the implementation was completed. I'm not saying that's smart, but that's how many businesses saw it.
But it's just a thing to think about -- find a position and demonstrate value that smart managers will see as important to hold onto. That's obviously not a guarantee, but I knew choosing new development projects to work on meant I would soon become expendable, according to management.
You remind me of when I was in my 20s. I don't believe any of that any more. Do what you want. Not what you think you "might" be rewarded for.
Problem is people place their hope in man too much and not God. You should never be loyal to any company. You can work hard and give it your best, but when it comes to a business decision to let someone go, the person that hired you won't be the one that gets laid off. It will be you. The hiring manager will never volunteer himself or reduce his hours in half just to keep you. These are the true colors of man.
It’s all abt what u can do for them in the moment. They seem to forget your blood, sweat and tears when it comes to making cuts for the company. Even the best ‘teachers pets’ gets lost in the sauce when the company starts to lose money. I feel your pain.
Good morning hi everyone
Not only in tech but for any other industry or company, the sad reality is, nobody is indispensable. Regardless of how much effort you put in, you are effectively just a number. This doesn't mean you shouldn't do your best in fulfilling your role, my suggestion is for you to invest in yourself regardless of the role or company - to remain valuable and relevant in this competitive job market.
Fine. if you are a liability/burden to a company in any way (you don’t perform enough, your specialty/department isn’t bringing enough profit to the company, your services are no longer needed) understandable that they will need to let you go, However my problem is when they try to pinpoint very little mistakes &your review becomes a micromanaged day/time log of mistakes, blame other departments’ tardiness/mistakes on you or use you as a scapegoat in any way while the actual reason is the industry or them (their profits) to let you go and try to throw the blame on you in hopes that they wouldn’t pay you unemployment (which majority of the time they have to unless it was a misconduct“ from you) instead of having some honesty/integrity and the courage to let you go because they can no longer afford you. This is a new level of manipulation/cowardliness
It is a business relationship, not personal. There is no loyalty; the business leaders decide what they believe is best for the business (that is their mandate). You decide what's best for you. You are paid for providing a service. This is not a marriage. I know it's disappointing, but once you start seeing this life gets better.
You are only a line on a spreadsheet. Loyalty only lasts while it's convenient for the employer.
5 years! I did 35 with one employer, didn't get laid off but didn't see much in the way of loyalty from my employer, all I saw was back stabbing and selfish behaviour. Dont let it get to you, all that matters is number 1 and thats you.