China just built the worlds biggest tain station in 38 months while the baltimore bridge hasnt been built in 3 years. Why are we so behind?

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If you don’t care if people die or if the facility will stand the test of time, you can build things remarkably fast

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Well, that’s the rub, Isn’t it - getting credible data out of China that would make China look bad

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If we could just kick all our poor people from inner cities, and then use half of them as slave labor to build the new stuff then our cities would be beautiful too (that is how we built a lot of the nice buildings that still stand today… it is a very old playbook).

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Poppycock.

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There’s a lot of propoganda in the US. I think the average person who does not travel abroad’s fails to realize how advanced the rest of the world is.

Other countries are catching up. Trump isn’t helping.

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Do you realize that China has stolen much of US TECHNOLOGY.

Way, way different regulatory environment here than in China. We have also culturally developed an aversion to risk, which begets reams of red tape, for good or bad.

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A throwaway comment like your last sentence negates your entire comment. Why does having TDS on your part add anything worthwhile to a halfway thumbs down on Maryland’s regulatory system.

I see that the construction of a train station with buildings and tracks is a completely different build than the bridge. If there are no foundation issues, a train station can be built quickly using a ‘lego approach’ - need more capacity? Take that smallish train station design already done use the appropriate parts that fit and put it in the master file - just ensure the connection locations match with adjacent areas.

Bridges? Seabeds are completely one of a kind when looking at how they can change quickly with heavy storm surge - did it deposit new material over the old, or did it suck out the old and leave a different substrate composition; does the new material ( or lack of the old material) cause changes for the new super-footings or not?

One other issue: permits often require compliance to the n-th degree be it engineering, environmental or other control factors. If you hire a firm that claims speed & saving $$ are their star attributes, you are hiring trouble. One example was a contractor on a build decided not to use a union contractor who touted a total crew of ~220 people able to do their job. But the company hired a smallish firm that brought in 150 people who worked very cheap, but really were just laborers that had no experience with that type of specialty work (natural gas pipeline). Because of language barriers > half had to have an interpreter for permit required training. The permit requirements weren’t always met in the field necessitating downtime for fixes.
The stick in your eye part was over 500 workers rotated through training by the end of the project instead of less than 200, which was the largest number on the job at any one time.

Keep voting democrat

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Or they just live in Baltimore…?

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Environmental and safety regulations?

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What safety regulation

I think this might be the same SA who posts pro-CCP propaganda from time to time.

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Work that social credit score so you don’t get kicked out of the economy.

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Because you are allowed to post this in the US and get away with it. If everyone is told to get on with the program with no dissent , US can do great things. Good news, you are getting there

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Our safety and environmental regulations are considerably more stringent and our risk tolerance substantially lower.

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There is so much bloat in legislation, so many hoops need to be jumped through before anything can get done here in the US

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Because we are winning so much that we are tired of winning!

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Keep voting Republican

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will do.

It helps when you have a society where massive corruption is hardwired into your DNA and environmental destruction is an art form.

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With such a slanted view (not culturally), making Senior Associate may be a challenge.

American are too busy creating wars

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Americans are not creating wars. Trump is creating wars!!!

Minimum wage isn’t a thing, and they are able to quickly build infrastructure bc they have 100s millions in low cost labor. We have minimum wage, which immediately puts large “tax” on infrastructure projects. Keep in mind, China thinks collectively, so this is ok for them, but the US values individuals, which means we, as a population, don’t get nice things unless someone suffers for it.

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To add to that…the population density combined with competition for jobs equate to people who respect their job and work hard to keep it. It’s much easier for employers to fire/hire employees and seek out the top talent vs the US makes it difficult to do so, and some jobs lack the backlog of people willing to do the task for a low wage, hence our challenges with illegal immigrants.

So I would also point to entitlement as an issue in the US; people assume they deserve a high wage, but that does not equate to speed or efficiency.

Safety, unions, regulations. How many Chinese died building it?

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I don’t doubt the stats here but the key is look at their rapid rate of expansion. It makes sense various project managers cut corners on safety. It doesn’t mean there is some grand conspiracy where they purposely have all the accidents. In fact if you watch videos or look at pictures of their construction/manufacturing they always have huge banner citing safety first

Now, can we conclude they prioritize safety first just because they put it on a banner? No, but you can apply that same skepticism to literally everything… our politicians say all kinds of false goals too.

It’s not about making a claim of which country is better but I see endless people get so caught up in claiming their country is better, when the debate for us (presumably we are all Americans) should be what can we learn and how do we compete with them

It’s shocking to me even all these high earners don’t think about this, if you were doing a strategy case for your client would you just focus on telling the client why they aren’t as successful as their competitor or do you try to dig deeper? I expect better for supposedly smart people

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More engineers. Top-down focus. A culture of building stuff. No unions.

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So, if the bridge collapsed a year ago, how is it three years behinds? Ignore the fact that China has absolute control over their media stories.

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For one, China doesn’t follow international building standards. Secondly, their infrastructure is built to last decades, not 75-100 years. Secondly, building a bridge across the Chesapeake Bay is much more complicated than a large train station.

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Who said their infrastructure isn’t built to last long term?

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Chine is besting us in a lot these days, education is most likely the biggest.

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Yes, the Chinese have tens of thousands of ‘students’ at major universities & institutions, taking the places that should go to our students.

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