Considering an offer from EY but y'all seem pretty unhappy. Is it really that bad?

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Not bad if you are moving from KPMG

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It's not bad, all of the big four are essentially the same with subtleties, our firm is just having some firm wide(assurance) headwinds and on top of that we have dramatic growth goals which hopefully will payoff in the long run. We do have a strong culture that most of us like and it does say something that in a down year there's not crazy layoff talks that you hear elsewhere.

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I'm applying to new positions everyday!

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M1 I actually love KPMG's culture and the work I do, just considering the higher pay

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EY3 well idk what you're paid ha but EY offered me more

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#bigfourlife

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I used to be the biggest EY proponent. The firm has changed so much. The culture I loved is gone.

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@EY1 - what was the culture like and what do you miss most? I've been here 3 years but am curious to hear your thoughts if you've been here longer

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EY2 - why do you think you're having a bad year? Seems like the economy is doing well, and corporate earnings are up pretty much across the board. I get the sense that the ppmd's at Deloitte have had a good year, which is another reason why I'm surprised that E&Y isn't doing well. Any thoughts?

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While I was there (switched 16 months ago), the problem seemed to stem from talent management. EY was unable to retain top talent (the common sentiment in my subservice line was that if you were good you left). It was unable to make tough decisions because the decision makers were too fear from the day to day due to the exceptionally high layers of administrative partners.

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Higher? 😂

@d1 the consulting side is doing really well... but we're more closely tied with our audit side than Deloitte is in terms with structure of the firms and they had some headwinds. Automation and other technologies is making audits cheaper and hurting our leverage model. I'd be surprised if the audit practice at Deloitte wasn't hit with similar issues.

We also have ridiculous growth targets because of our vision 2020 targets. The firm grew and made investments expecting to make this plan but unfortunately sales aren't keeping pace

No, it's not that bad. The entire industry is shifting - its all firms. If you believe you will have a coach and sponsor, go for it. Welcome aboard.

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