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I should be aiming for, without knowing how impactful my projects are?
I've heard at my level that I should be shooting for GS-12+ or GS-13. And at SC, maybe 14 or 15. But I'm concerned since I have so few years of experience.
I have an MS. But moving up fast has meant that by the time I hit SC, I'll have just 2 YOE excluding internships.
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You’re in your mid 20s think you should be looking for Fed jobs that career GS folks fight for at the end of their career? Ok
That’s...pretty normal OP and not really all that early of a promo and level given that you hVe a masters. You will have a tough time making a case for anything beyond a GS12 IMO just given your overall lack of work experience and federal requirements are pretty strict. Why are you leaving Deloitte if you’re on some “fast track” to promo?
Yeah, a PhD professor who’s been teaching in academia will join the CIA as a GS-11. It’s not so different from the opposite move...I joined MMB with an MA and 15 years experience but forced to start over as an Associate.
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As someone who was a HM during my time as a fed, likely a 12. Normally I encourage consultants looking to flip their badges to aim no lower than a 13, but 2-3 YOE is pretty sparse even with a Masters. I think a 13 is most likely out of the question and 14+ are certainly out of the question.
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Yup. If you're making, say, $90k after your promo, that's in the GS-12 band in the DC area (which is where I presume you are), but is below the GS-13 band.
Pay is often used as the level setter when a candidate has sufficient non-fed experience. When I was a fed HM, there wasn't a chance in hell I'd have hired someone as a 13+ with 2-3 YOE, no matter what their background was. If you've got a sufficient amount of relevant experience, on the other hand, non-fed pay is often used to determine where you fall in the hierarchy. If you've got, say, 10 relevant YOE and are making $125k, I could certainly see slotting you in as either a 13 or 14, depending on the specific role.
Frankly, with only ~2 YOE, I'd probably peg you at GS-11.
I used to work in govt before transitioning to consulting, and in govt I was on a GS 7/9/11/12 ladder. I got hired into a developmental program right out of undergrad, which put me at GS-7. In this program, you get a guaranteed promotion every year, so it would had taken me 3 years to get to GS-12. People with advanced degrees in my program started at GS-9 with it taking 2 years to get to GS-12.
Based on what you mentioned, you will probably get put at GS-11 (maybe 12) but anything beyond that might be hard. All the GS 13+’s at my agency had typically been in government for at least 5-10 years. The government is strict on “time-in-grade”.
It depends on the agency. At certain IC agencies you would be a GS-9 with a Masters and 2 YOE.
Many agencies use DCIPS though which has more salary flexibility in pay bands. OP would be a 3 https://dcips.defense.gov/Portals/50/Documents/Adjusted%202019%20DCIPS%20Pay%20Rates%20&%20Ranges%20(Final%20Signed).pdf
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