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Dear Big 4's
In EY...How much pay is expected for 8 yrs exp. BI lead role? Including variable..pls comment
Can we open up the discussion on Olay? It's had a ton of press.
The point of coding I guess will show up sometime after they go into space.
Any recommendations on negotiating telework (remote work) for a federal position that’s provided an Firm Offer? I was informed by an agency officer that my request can be considered if an offer was given along with my request for higher salary.
What suggestions does anyone have on doing that?
I am working with GEP Worldwide India from last 2 years. my shift timing is 2 to 11 pm IST.
Is there any night allowance policy in GEP?
Are there any reliable sites to look up reviews of D.C. apartment buildings? I’m using Apartment List and have a few good candidates but it’s hard to discern which is best. Also any recs for 1-bedrooms around 2 - 2.4K?
How is the United States Delivery center? They are recruiting me for that. Good or bad? anything to be aware of?
How many years of experience are usually expected to apply for a senior solution architect role at Databricks ? And what internal level is it?
For those who have tried it, is the Ardbeg Traigh Bhan worth it? Seeing prices in the 325-350 range. My favorites are the Uigeadail and the 10, if that helps any fans give their opinion.
Got offered 172.5 as M1 at Accenture strategy. Thought they had bumped it back up to 177.5. Should I ask for 177.5? Any others being offered the corona discount rate or the readjusted rate?
Hi Fishes, How is Intertrust Group company in terms of WLB and Culture ? Not able to find much details on internet. Anyone of you working there?
Does anyone have a contract that you use for computers when they are sent home with students? I definitely need some ideas of one. Feel free to email it to me email@example.com
Hi All, looking for referral for Plsql with 6 years experience. Please let me know if anyone can help
What assets and gifts are we supposed to receive if we join Salesforce next month? Position - Datorama Support EngineerSalesforce
Can someone suggest me can I accept the offer for 9lacs including variable component in HCL for E2 band , I have 4YoE. I have quoted 11lacs but after negotiations offering 9lacs.
I need serious advice, please! Am I wasting my time messaging a guy I matched with online that lives on the opposite coast? Background: we message each other at least 1-2 times everyday for the last FIVE months but never over a phone call. He actually doesn't even have my number. We message on IG. He's a full-time student and full time employee so busy guy. But am I wasting my time and emotions with this guy??
Additional Posts in The Safe Zone (for All) to talk Race
Anyone else keeping an eye on the hearings and thinking that if this would have been Obama instead of Trump, they would have already had him locked up?
From the Moderator: I would like to compile a list of questions/issues for this group to discuss... please suggest questions. I will hold them in a list and release them one per week. So The first question for the group is... what questions do you suggest this “safe zone” for all people deal with? GO!
I’m convinced that the reason some of these firms are so prestigious is because they have intentionally exclusionary recruitment practices. I used to believe that you had to already be rich to get hired at MBB. Now being on the other side of the recruitment process , I really do feel that it rings true. I hate the way we evaluate candidates and decide on who is “high priority” during coffee chats.
Hi! My buddy, who’s also a consultant, released his poetry book and I thought I share to encourage you all to support him! Please do! https://www.amazon.com/Mahogany-Reflections-Young-Black-Man/dp/1737465302/ref=nodl_
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From the Moderator....
Week 1: July 19 to July 25
Discussion of the Week:
1. What is your understanding of affirmative action?
2. Should your company/firm/govt do it?
3. If yes to q2 have they done enough of it?
Remember to be respectful.
Purpose of this group:
- A Place for everyone (black,white,other POC) to share agreeing AND disagreeing views on racial topics
- Format will be one topic each week. Please reply to this pinned post with topic suggestions.
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From the Moderator:
How do we feel about Joe Biden:
(A) Declaring before hand that his VP would be a woman
(B) Selecting a black woman
Should organizations take similar action? For example declaring that their next CEO will be a woman.
All views welcome
From the Moderator:
Week 3: August 2 to August 9
Question of the week
Pretend You’re an NBA player...
(A) Would you stand for the national anthem or kneel?
(B) How would you feel about your other players standing or kneeling?
As a reminder our goal on this bowl is to fully understand other people’s POV and to share your POV effectively so it’s fully understood. So that empathy can happen...not necessarily to change someone else’s mind. This may or may not happen.
I created this group because: there are both black and white people afraid to say what they really think. I see this as a problem because unless we can say what we truly feel we can’t identify differences and come to genuine solutions.
Suggested Format is we will deal with 1 question or topic per week. The question will be from participants. I will try to simply be a host, moderator and translator. We will lay out some ground rules to make it safe for all. I will enforce these.
From the moderator, for discussion.
Should white males be concerned that current focus on diversity will lead to negative results
If Yes, why and under what conditions
If No, why not?
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1. No, but It depends...
2b. It depends what you mean by "systemic" If systemic racism is defined as "racial disparities in outcome" then I would agree there is systemic racism. If you mean that the "system" itself is directly racist against POC then I don't think so. I think personal work ethic trumps any apparent racism there may be . Also there are disparities within racial groups as well: Jews vs White Protestants, Cuban vs. Guatamala, Indian vs. Nepali Africans vs. ADOS, Chinese vs. Cambodian. This doesn't mean there is apparent ethnic discrimination amongst different groups, there is more at play IMO than racism.
What are the other things you think are at play?
I posed this question because people seem to agree that the outcomes are problematic but for some reason can’t / don’t want to accept what causes this.
And when I talk about cause, I’m going back to all the educational resources and access to networks where actions taken in the past still have an impact on today.
The example I would give is if you have two people lined up for a race in front of a crowd...
The crowd holds back the Black person until the lead is borderline insurmountable and then let the Black person go. Technically, there’s nothing holding the Black person back now but expecting that head start to disappear on its own is unrealistic.
You could take the position of one shouldn’t be punished for the sins of the father.
But what happens if the father contributed to biased decision making or distribution of resources? Should we just not do anything?
These are the things I’d like to have a real discussion on.
Similar to protests, too often the response is shooting down people’s proposals to fix without providing a better alternative.
There could be whatever else going on in other groups but my comments are about what’s happening with Black people because that’s where I’ve had first hand experience and have spent more time exploring, so that’s where I’d like to keep the discussion.
In my opinion, for systemic racism to exist, in that the system is racist, the racism would have to affect all people of that race equally. Within the African American community there are large disparities in success, income and education between Africans, Carribeans and African Americans. If you look at ivy league schools, majority of the black people there are not ADOS. The system itself is not currently "racist" at least not anymore but it WAS racist and a lot of those racist policies of the past still affect a lot of black people today.
There are numerous factors at play, single parenthood, crime and violence and also culture. I'm African myself and although I went to one of the top public high schools in my state, a large number of the black people in my school underperformed simply because they did not care about school. A lack of interest in school is also a problem in the African American community, particularly poor black people.
I believe that there are certain remnants of the past that do continue to perpetuate inequalities of opportunity. But I don’t believe that it is as pernicious or systematic as often portrayed. It is also my beliefs that it often lies in systems often not considered like welfare.
My thinking NC was radically changed reading the book “White Guilt” by Shelby Steele. I would summarize his points here but I fear too much would be lost in creating a Cliff’s notes version.
I don't know what a snuck premise is but I'll say this. SES is highly intertwined with systemic racism ie remnants of policies and decisions disproportionately impacting a race. And cultural "norms" dictated by the majority are the same.
I'd argue that anyone who can't see that or at least understand the idea needs to push their thinking.
I'm not looking for anyone to prove any ideas to me. And I agree that words definitely matter. As far as these words go, I'm fine conceding whatever labels if people will focus that effort saved arguing on getting rid of these "remnants".
On the book, I'm going to look into it now to see what it's about.
It appears EY1 is saying:
1. The system was racist
2. The system is no longer racist
3. There are still issues but in EY1 opinion the issue is not a racist system.
EY1 let us know if this is incorrect representation of your point
Others let us know do you agree with this?
I think with regards to points 1 and 2 that your definition of systemic racism is so broad that it hinders the ability to have an effective dialogue around it. There's never going to be a case where racism is going to equally impact every individual due to so many other variables. So you'll never going to be talking about exact equivalents.
I disagree with 2. There are so many examples of systemic racism that I feel you can look at with data. There are things such as people committing the same crime with similar records but the POC receiving historically receiving heavier sentences. You have things like black women being at a much higher disproportionate rate of dying during child birth than white women. There's data out here showing that these things occur points to systemic racism still being an issue in this country
For point 3, I feel like a lot of these issues are more closely related to systemic racism that you do but from following your definition that's more a semantics disagreement. We both agree that's there's an issue so what are things we can do fix what you consider "other issues" and what I consider "system racism". The more vague the language is the harder it makes it to establish valid parameters for the discussion. Saying I don't think it's x but it's due to y and then not actually working with others to rectify the issue (however you define semantically) is what causes the divide and frustration by people with the opposing viewpoints. This is what I've found a lot of people that take this stance do (Might not be how you are but it's what I've seen).