From the moderator, for discussion.

Should white males be concerned that current focus on diversity will lead to negative results

If Yes, why and under what conditions
If No, why not?

like
Posting as :
works at
You are currently posting as works at

Extreme example to paint the ridiculousness of this question.

E.g. In the 1800’s, asking if slave owners should be concerned about the profitability of their cotton plantations, given slavery was being abolished.

like

From the Moderator:

Just want to give context as to why this question was posed tothe group for discussion:

1. This topic/POV/skepticism comes up on virtually every thread on fb and in live convos as companies begin to act. So wanted to give the opportunity to discuss it robustly here in our “safe zone” for both people who are on the Yes side and no side to engage

2. This is in line with the purpose of this group which is to surface these types of qs allowing both sides to learn from and understand each other regardless of if they end up agreeing.

I’m soliciting other questions/topics so please feel free to suggest. I try to post one question/topic to robustly discuss each week

like

Yes. I am already seeing it. It is anecdotal but I have seen pretty blatant instances of women and POC being promoted ahead of obviously and demonstrably better peers. It hasn’t affected me so I don’t have an axe to grind but I do have to acknowledge the reality.

Really, it’s just a simple matter of incentive. There is a lot of pressure on partners right now to have a diverse team, at by immutable characteristics.

That’s not to say that there isn’t a problem, just that the solution may be add to, instead of alleviate, the problem. There is an inherent risk whenever you trade one inequality for another. The ultimate goal should be for that pendulum to stop swinging. I know some will say that we need to let the pendulum swing the other direction. I just don’t see that as a long term solution that leads to the betterment of our society.

likesmart

@A1

1. In consulting having seen it on one side of the table or the other for 15+ years now, I have seen very few black people let alone at senior manager and above. If they even get into the company, the retention rate is generally poor.

So I can certainly acknowledge that

2. I don’t know I agree that “merit” is the objective just now. Merit has always been the “should” and was also used to advocate against programs like affirmative action.

Arguing for merit is easy, who doesn’t want the most qualified person operating on them or managing their retirement? - that said, if “merit” is narrowly defined or the metrics are tilted, it can also seem like another barrier.

As for why leadership is mainly white, there are likely a variety of reasons starting with the candidate pipeline.

In tech firms that executive level is certainly shifting and we see many more Indian and Asian executives which also correlates with graduation rates at “target” schools and programs.

Overall this seems to be in large part due to restricted opportunities even before getting into the corporate world. MBA, PHD, and other “international” experiences often operate like guilds. These are also very expensive to obtain, so not coming from means either, I can understand how these be massive barriers to entry.

If the pipeline into the corporate leadership positions and admissions at undergrad and grad programs is already massively filtered towards those of economic privilege, it makes climbing the corporate ladder even more challenging. Economic privilege also has traditionally meant white privilege.

likehelpful

No, they shouldn’t because POC / Women for diversity does not automatically equal nor lead to negative results.

I wish people would stop spreading that false narrative.

likesmart

No. It's more likely to adversely affect the Asian population (outside of CXO positions, which let's be honest, most of us are never going to be in), assuming the efforts are to more resemble the traditional distribution of US population.

like

Only if there starts to be tokenism, which isn't fair to anyone.

Examples I've seen that avoid this is using demonstrable data that is likely to be unimpacted by racism (utilization for analysts, feedback scores from other BIPOC compared with white peers, etc). Talking to a number of white folks looking at numbers and they're finding that hiring more BIPOC hasn't fixed an issue with retention (do not know if they've determined the cause of poor retention).

like

Nah bruh.

Regardless, why worry or focus on it?

If it was going to be an obstacle then I am going to have to work harder regardless.

Regardless of racism, the higher you go up the ranks in your career, the depth of talent just gets deeper. In such a global talent pool, there is no other alternative than to work harder and get better at what you do.

Keyword there is team, the partner level I see is still overwhelmingly white male

No

If you're gonna be concerned you're gonna be concerned. The question is, what do you do with that concern? If your employer wants more women and people of color, that means fewer white guys. So make yourself one of the ones who can't be let go. Improve your skills and learn how to be effective in an increasingly diverse workplace.

It's the same rules as normal applied in a changing workforce. To be an effective leader, you elevate the performance of those around you.

like

Related Posts

Get to know me!

- Worked in Tech for over 20 yrs
- Born and raised in The Dominican Republic
- Moved to he US at 17 after HD
- Living in NYC
- Started as a Help Desk Support Technician
- Love humans way more than technology
- Fierce advocate for Diversity and Inclusion
- My mission si to elevate the voices of women and underrepresented minorities in Tech
- Love traveling and photography
- Ready to give back!

How about you?

Post Photo
likeuplifting

The Gradient Group is a place to find active jobs. If you are looking for work please take a look at

We only work with active jobs from companies our members want to work with, which means they go fast.

These applications are not passed-through to another system. We work directly with the hiring manager to get our members access to these career opportunities.

Inclusion lives here.. All levels welcome

Post Photo
like

Just got an offer at Deloitte. Feel like comp/rank are too low due to lack of diversity of interviewers. :( Can anyone relate?

Would you categorize this industry as diverse? I was just reading an article on USA Today that centered around the lack of diversity in finance, especially in positions of power. I’d have to agree with them based on what I’ve noticed.

like

Hi all,
Looking for a career change, I’ve experience in project management, oncology, health promotion, engagement, inclusion and diversity and hoping to work for a pharma. Happy to relocate and would love some guidance and referral please 🙏🏾

like

Latinx - help! We used this term in our diversity spotlight discussing Hispanic Heritage Month. One individual said that in English a group of Latinos would just be Latins to be gender neutral. I understand the word is controversial but is “Latins” grammatically correct? I assume we should just say Latin Americans, but trying to understand if Latins is also accurate.

like

Have you felt the need to come out to show advocacy and diversity in your classroom? Even if you’re totally comfortable in your personal life, do you feel this need to be out and be an ally?

like

Do you feel like Latinos are being left out of the discussion or overlooked as more companies commit to anti-racism and inclusion efforts?

likesmart

Hello! Does anyone have any feedback they’d like to share on BIP (Business Integration Partners) specifically the Milan/Rome offices? I really like the way the firm presents itself online, though the lack of diversity in their leadership is astonishing…
Thank you!

Does anyone talk about economic diversity? You know middle class and economically challenged people who cannot afford art schools and expensive private colleges?

likeuplifting

Do NOT claim you are "colorblind" in the workplace. 1. DE&I knowledge is now a core leadership competency. Colorblind claims will earn you the reputation of being DEI-ignorant at best & racist at worst. 2. Colorblindness within the context of workplace diversity is an obvious lie. You do NOT want to be painted as an intellectually dishonest leader. 3. Colorblind claims signal that you lack the leadership skills & vocabulary to have key conversations. Ask questions here, in this safe space.

Post Photo
likesmart

My wife and I are moving to Boston from overseas (we’re from Italy and we’ve recently won the diversity visa green card lottery).

We are looking to rent a 1BR starting in January, ideally for ~$3k/month. I’ll be working in the downtown area.

Do you recommend we go for a serviced/luxury apartment (e.g. Montaje, 345 Harrison, etc.) or hire a broker to get a “normal” apartment?

Any managed buildings recommendations within our budget? Also, what are some good brokers we could work with?

Thanks!

like

Could anyone tell me about the technology consulting practice of NTT Data in the UK? How are the work culture, WLB, clientele and nature of the projects, bench policy, ethnic diversity in the UK?
TIA.

like

Welcome to the HR Equity and Inclusion Bowl, let’s come together to discuss ways we can change organization culture, so that all staff feel a sense of belonging.

like

Do people in studios get paid substantially more than other offerings or practice (exploring to switch, thus asking)? what is the average consultant income bracket in studio? I was also wondering if anyone aware of gender centric wage disparity in DUSI?

Hey Gente, Im applying for jobs and I wanted to get others opinion on the race part of the application process. As an indigenous LatinX I worry that if I put indigenous it won’t tick the “diversity” box for the algorithm or recruiters. I work with (not in) the I&D dept at my company and our target recruiting groups don’t include or mention indigenous. Any recruiters here that have insight?

like

Hi all! I’ve been dating my bf for about 4 months now and there are some things he says/is into that make me believe he is either Bisexual or has gender dysphoria. I could really use someone’s advice who has a similar experience like this. Is anyone willing to chat? I just want to be supportive and helpful.

like

More Posts

Does anyone comment in this bowl

likesmart

Is it safe to join Verizon now ?

like

Hey Guys, I am a data science associate at ZS. Let me know if anyone wants a referral in any of the below profiles. 😊

Post Photo
like

“Fuck it I’m going to PDF this bitch"

likefunny
likesmarthelpful
like

Hi I’m a finance students that’s graduating in may and I’m deciding if I should take an exptership with PWC for consulting or one with Hp that will work on VC & Business analytics. Since I more solid on soft skills then hard skills should I do the one with HP

like

Hello can I get help from someone/ anyone who can help me list my vacant properties for rent on some rental sites to attract potential tenants to begin to contact regarding this properties? I’m currently super busy which so much of work and also needs to fly down to UK . And I can’t get all this done myself. And I’m willing to pay a good amount $$$ weekly for this job to be done perfectly for just 2 weeks. Please DM me if you can help out with this thanks.

likesmart

hearing there was massive layoffs at concentric today. in the dozens. can someone confirm or refute?

like

What’s the rank hierarchy like in IBM? Where would an “Associate Partner” sit in comparison to a big 4 consulting firm? Got an offer I am evaluating

Hello Fishes, Just curious to know anyone working with any gaming companies (EA Games,Activision, ubisoft, Sega,etc)
Like how do they hire?
Which tech stack they would be looking for?

likehelpful

What do you do for networking/gaining exposure?It seems like most networking events are for drinking, and the speaking gigs are impossible to find.

like

Does your firm deal well with associates who need religious accommodations? If e.g. they’re observing Shabbat, do you always make sure to have at least someone on the team who isn’t? Are you even allowed to ask? Pardon my ignorance.

like
like

Is 120k+super a good salary for software tester (manual) with 7 years of experience in Melbourne?

like

In Accenture the leaves will be converted to cash during full and final settlement?

like

Any leads for companies in the Hampton Roads, Va area?

like

I joined OPTUM today so how soon we can expect laptop and goodies.

like

Curious to know what salary Social Media Managers are making in the NYC area. Interviewing for management roles and here comes the dreaded convos for desired compensation.

What should a Managing Director make at a global shop in NYC? Not office MD but runs a group of accounts. 15 yrs experience.

like

Additional Posts in The Safe Zone (for All) to talk Race

Is it culturally racist to be against cultural artifacts that are counter to your values? For example glorification of murder in outlaw southern rock, heavy metal, or some hip hop.

like

From the Moderator....

Week 1: July 19 to July 25
Discussion of the Week:
1. What is your understanding of affirmative action?
2. Should your company/firm/govt do it?
3. If yes to q2 have they done enough of it?

Remember to be respectful.

like

I created this group because: there are both black and white people afraid to say what they really think. I see this as a problem because unless we can say what we truly feel we can’t identify differences and come to genuine solutions.

Suggested Format is we will deal with 1 question or topic per week. The question will be from participants. I will try to simply be a host, moderator and translator. We will lay out some ground rules to make it safe for all. I will enforce these.

like

Anyone else keeping an eye on the hearings and thinking that if this would have been Obama instead of Trump, they would have already had him locked up?

like

From the Moderator:

How do we feel about Joe Biden:

(A) Declaring before hand that his VP would be a woman
(B) Selecting a black woman

Should organizations take similar action? For example declaring that their next CEO will be a woman.


All views welcome

like

From the Moderator: I would like to compile a list of questions/issues for this group to discuss... please suggest questions. I will hold them in a list and release them one per week. So The first question for the group is... what questions do you suggest this “safe zone” for all people deal with? GO!

like

From the Moderator:

Week 3: August 2 to August 9

Question of the week

Pretend You’re an NBA player...

(A) Would you stand for the national anthem or kneel?
(B) How would you feel about your other players standing or kneeling?

As a reminder our goal on this bowl is to fully understand other people’s POV and to share your POV effectively so it’s fully understood. So that empathy can happen...not necessarily to change someone else’s mind. This may or may not happen.

like

Purpose of this group:

- A Place for everyone (black,white,other POC) to share agreeing AND disagreeing views on racial topics

- Format will be one topic each week. Please reply to this pinned post with topic suggestions.

- Moderator will put up topic weekly and be watching to promote respectful and engaging conversations including ensuring popular and unpopular opinions are welcomed.

JOIN US! converse with us, agree and disagree with us, learn with us... your voice is needed.

like

From the Moderator

Week 2: Jul 26 to Aug 2

1. Do you personally believe there is a systemic racism problem?

2a. If yes, share with others why you believe so

2b. If no, share why you believe so.

Question was posed by a member of the group.

All remember that the goal of this group:
- is to help others understand YOU
- to help YOU understand OTHERS.
- our highest goal is full understanding of the each other leading to empathy

It’s unlikely that you would change another’s mind via this forum

like
like

I’m convinced that the reason some of these firms are so prestigious is because they have intentionally exclusionary recruitment practices. I used to believe that you had to already be rich to get hired at MBB. Now being on the other side of the recruitment process , I really do feel that it rings true. I hate the way we evaluate candidates and decide on who is “high priority” during coffee chats.

New to Fishbowl?

Download the Fishbowl app to
unlock all discussions on Fishbowl.
That was just a preview…
Sign Up to see all discussions
  • Discover what it’s like to work at companies from real professionals
  • Get candid advice from people in your field in a safe space
  • Chat and network with other professionals in your field
Sign up in seconds to unlock all discussions on Fishbowl.

Already a user?
Login here

Share

Embed this post

Copy and paste embed code on your site

Preview

Download the
Fishbowl app

See what’s happening in your industry
from the palm of your hand.

A phone with Fishbowl app

Scan your QR code to download
Fishbowl app on your mobile

Download app

Sign up for free to view this conversation on Fishbowl

By continuing you agree to Terms of Use and Privacy Policy

Already have an account? Log in

Sign up for free to continue using Fishbowl

By continuing you agree to Terms of Use(New) and Privacy Policy(New)
Messaging rates may apply

Already have an account? Log in

For account settings, visit Fishbowl on Desktop Browser or

General

Legal