How to tell a colleague she is under-leveled without overstepping or making her uncomfortable? I was recently promoted and got access to data on the seniority levels of a cohort of leaders who had been my peers in my previous role. A female colleague is a full grade below her male counterparts in identical roles and with similar years of experience. They report to different managers. I want to tell her what she deserves without making her feel weird that I have seen her HR data.

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Do it. She deserves to know and she will forever be thankful to you. I was told long ago and I’m still thankful.

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Be a girls girl and advocate for her. Don't make her put herself in the hotseat when you have the access and the information to make the business case to leadership for her.

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It’s hard to describe our company structure without losing anonymity (very large multinational), but we’re in a matrixed org and I don’t have a say in decisions from her leadership. I will consider whether I can influence them, though! Thanks for the idea.

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As for how- they took me to lunch and told me over casual conversation. Not in the office.

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The virtual version of this would be setting up a lunch via personal cell numbers and not on company phones (if you have one for company and one for personal).

This happened to me early in my career, where a male colleague told me this same thing. It opened my eyes completely, and made me a totally different type of advocate for myself. I agree that someone needs to advocate for you when you don’t have the power or insight yourself. It will only empower. There is no one to lose but her. ✊🏽

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This!! 👏🏻👏🏻👏🏻👏🏻

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Tell her. Please.

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Simply coach her to sell her value up the food chain. Also plant the promotion seeds with her manager. Play both sides without saying what you know.

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Disagree. Not a coaching / time-waster endeavor. It’s purely anchored on black and white data and this woman is it a economic disadvantage to her male counterparts doing the exact same job - the company should be ashamed

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Are you friendly with her at all? If yes, maybe ask her to lunch or a happy hour cocktail or even an afternoon walk around the block. It’ll be easier than telling her in the office. If you’re honest with her and tell her exactly what you wrote (you don’t want her to feel weird but want to help her advocate for herself) I’m sure she’ll be grateful for the insight!

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Thanks, everyone. To be clear, I’m asking HOW to do it, not whether or not I should do it 🙂 It’ll have to be via virtual meeting as we are not in the same location. We’re friendly but we don’t know each other very well. I’m hoping for some suggestions on what to say and how to bring it up.

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Could the pay difference be based on region if you're not in the same location?

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Just tell her straight up, "I was made aware that you are being significantly underpaid compared to your peers. How can I help you negotiate a pay increase based on fair compensation practices?"

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The only thing I’d change here is that if you are senior to her, don’t just put her on the spot and make her ask you for specific help.

I suggest saying you’d like to help her and showing up with some suggestions on what you and her can do about it.

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I want to be clear that this should be framed to leadership that it is a risk to the company to continue to compensate employees in similar roles at disparate rates.

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To me this sounds like you would share confidential information. I would say absolutely do not tell her, but advocate for her, tell HR, explain risk to the company. In my opinion commenting on people’s salaries relative to others when you are privy to confidential info it’s either a demisable offense or something people would lose trust in you for.

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That’s interesting, D1. I appreciate your point about putting my own job at risk. I actually think that, if a company is willing to fire me for helping a woman be paid fairly, I’d be happy to be fired. Not a company worth working for. And equal pay is a hill I’m willing to die on ❤️

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If your roll/responsibilities include to keep the info confidential, I think you should abide.

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https://www.nlrb.gov/about-nlrb/rights-we-protect/your-rights/your-rights-to-discuss-wages

I just want to say this is so thoughtful of you! To even consider having a conversation & wanting to make sure she knows & seeking the best way to go about it is so incredibly kind of you. Too often women are pitted against each other & or ppl are all about themselves so no matter the outcome, I hope you hug yourself a little tighter for being kind in a world that can be hard on us all. ✨

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Tell her. Be the voice and definitely advocate for her.

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Now I'm wondering... is this me? Definitely tell her. I would hope someone tells me.

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Her title wouldn’t likely be Project Manager on here :) but feel free to DM me

Just tell her and don’t even worry about getting it right. You have discovered information that can help her and she should know

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Seems crazy! Wondering are there any reasons why your company would have her under leveled that are policy such as education requirements or certifications? Just wondering if there is a reason - for example some companies pay those with MBAs at certain levels more - but if not then definitely tell her.

I think the first question will be were you allowed to look at that information ? Were you just poking around and came upon. It could end your career if it comes out how the other person got this information

Could this be a "see something, say something" situation where you could advocate on her behalf without discussing with her? You may put yourself at risk, but may still be protected by law unless you can somehow do it anonymously.

The company I’m at has an ethics line you can also report (anonymously - supposedly). That would also be a good spot to report.

I agree setting up a non-work system call to tell her and offer assistance. “Because our company culture values X, I wanted to share something that I found out about salaries that impacts you. You have contemporaries at the company that are a full grade higher than you. (Pause) When you have absorbed this information, I would like to offer my support to build an advocate package for you.”

And then start advocating on your level. It is quite possible that her manager didn’t know about the grade level differences. Especially if the organization is super huge.

You might find that it isn’t just her. There is a whole group of people involved.

I’m not a lawyer, while you are free to have the conversation about pay, I suggest an employment lawyer consult before talking with her to make sure you are protected when it comes to this new level of employee information. I’m concerned about what type of database and clearance level and PII. If she needs proof - she is going to need screenshots and that will probably come from you.

Don’t die on the hill too early. Be strategic here.

Remember HR defends the company.

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