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If you have a toxic boss, usually the only solution is to start looking for a new job. I respect people who have the courage to highlight the abuses, but most corporations do nothing and let the abuse continue. Courage and integrity are in short supply.
Start looking! In the meantime document document document. Do not leave your documents in your office but keep it with you when you leave for the day.
I went to HR about a conflict at work. It was about a bully /mean girl stuff. Turns out it was a historical complaint in this particular school.
I opened it all up to HR, union got involved and it turns several ppl had gone to the union complaining about this. I retired that yr bc that school was just too much. The principal was new to elementary, and had no idea how to handle the situation. Going to HR did not help me but maybe it did help others bc HR did get involved the following year in unison with the union. I would not go to HR unless you have ample documentation. I had so much documentation that it was clear what was going on. Good luck to you!
Thankfully I have a few “lifeboats” coming in. I just don’t understand how toxic bosses can be protected…. They create high turnover.
The only move here, unless you have a good relationship with your skip level manager, is to move on. You can also share through your trusted colleagues what you've experienced, and hope the whisper network can warm others away.
Going to HR about this type of issue will put a target on your back. The retaliation from the manager and HR will be a drawn out campaign against you until you quit. Behavior like that is very difficult to prove and typically HR will always side with the executive manager or director. I agree with the others, that you will need to find another job at another company for another job in a different department.
Just for further clarification, people who are in mgrs inner circle have been provided with different chairs, different cube configurations. This manager often provides preferred teammates with little treats that the rest of the team may not be privy to.
The manager leads by punishment. Preferred members seem to have lax treatment, training and a more personal relationship with manager.
People are not hired based on experience or education (as people have been hired with little to none), but instead on managers degree of likeability. The inner circle has to also agree on their personal like of interviewee. I have been privy to this from hearing and seeing things that happened a cube wall over. (People loudly exclaiming they didn’t like x candidate once a phone interview was over.)
Very disappointing. Very unprofessional.
I recognize that I cannot change how the “great wall” was built and am doing my best to change my course of action. Unfortunately sometimes it is what it is.
For some people, there is no pleasing them.
I agree on the comment “document document document”. Be specific, includes dates and times, what happened, to who and who witnessed it.
I however also do concur that basically HR is there to protect the company over the employee and you might need to leave. It is possible you could also get fired so when documenting …. Make sure you have a copy that as necessary you could use in a “wrongful dismissal suit”; chances are it would never get to court.
Sorry this is happening to you.
Best wishes.
Yep.HR is solely to protect the company. If it aligns w the company agenda, you may get relief.
Your best course of action is to gather docs, get witnesses and sue. If you are a protected class, make sure you cover those elements in your evidence. Also, seek out council before and let them guide you. They can have you lead the bully down a path that they are fired at the minimum.
Most of us have been there over our careers. The worst thing, in my opinion, is that you sit on it. If you are poorly treated, more than likely, others have too.
Sunlight is the best disinfectant!!! Good luck.
I understand some people in HR protect the company no matter what but understand that is completely unprofessional. Yes they are there to protect the company, but they are there to protect you as well. I had an awesome HR rep at my last job. I got let go in a mass layoff and she cried when she had to deliver the termination to me. I had worked there 15 years so she knew who I was and we had spoken many times. I felt very comfortable going to her with issues and it felt like they were addressed, and she kept it confidential. I want a habitual complainer, though we do have some of those and I can understand why HR get sick of them because no matter what happens something is always wrong in their eyes. It’s a tough role to be in. I wouldn’t wish it on my biggest enemy. Remember that if there is retaliation after a legitimate complaint is made The company will have problems as a result. Unemployment for sure, but possibly more.
You need to start looking. GTFO.
I’d love for some HR people to comment in as well, I’ve had mixed experiences previously. If the higher ups like the managers performance though HR will tend to back up whoever the company backs. Sometimes there’s enough complaints overall though that it’s not worth it and HR is a means to push things along. As other people are saying, just be sure to document.
HR in general feels like leeches in a company. They always job hop after 6-12 months after implementing "toxic" systems like peer reviews with limited stars/callouts that could ruin you during comp reviews or layoffs....