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Hi all,
Do firms match offers from other Big 4s for campus hires? I’ve received a campus offer from both KPMG and EY. I’m more interested in the EY offer, but they are paying 3k less than KPMG.
Would it be a bad move to let them know about the other offer and try negotiating? I feel it wont make a difference in the long run, but at the same time I don’t want to leave any money on the table if possible.
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To me, it’s talking to people I’ve kept in some kind of contact with over the years. Let them know what I’m looking for, and I’d appreciate any leads they have. I know some do reach out to strangers, but you still have to create some kind of rapport before leaping in.
Chief
That makes sense, like former colleagues and people like that?
Networking is about building genuine beneficial relationship over time, relationships that make people think of you when opportunities arise😊well there's a job opening I'd like to share, Cruise Ship industry is currently in need of 8 workers. They pay upto $7k per 2 weeks, I believe they're more in search of Merchandise and Food&Beverage staffs, is anyone in for it?
Chief
That does make sense but how do you make the initial connection?
Networking means getting out and meeting people face to face and developing relationships with them that you cultivate and develop over time. It could be alumnus from your college, people you meet at industry events, colleagues from work and those who have moved on, clients, etc.
Just hitting up people on LinkedIn isn’t networking.
Chief
Do you suggested going to some job fairs then?
Real networking happens in the real world. It's simply a matter of meeting people in the profession and establishing a rapport. And then staying in touch. To cultivate it, it's important to be generous with information. If you see or hear something interesting, get in touch with people and let them know or share the article with them. If you're already in touch with people, staying in touch via LinkedIn works. But cold messaging people there is probably a bad strategy.
Read the book The NCG Factor. It stands for Network, Connect, Give and outlines how you should constantly be giving so that when the time comes that you need something then you have an established network.
Let me tell you if you weren't born a social butterfly you can't become one. People who give you this kind of advice are people with a mindset focused on glorifying the network of relationships . I've seen so many of them that I've memorized how they behave in different situations. Most of them possess no skills or anything else except for appearing in front of you all the time to ensure your relationship with them continues. This is their mindset for getting anything in life. Don't follow them; just keep developing your skills for a job where your abilities are valued, rather than relying on someone else's recommendation.
How did you interpret my advice not to rely on social climbing as advice to completely cut off your contact with others? I'm telling you not to try so hard to keep up with those social butterflies. For them, it's the only way, but you don't have to be like them. It's good to have a social network to grow through, but don't make it your primary source of career advancement. That's what I'm saying
I see it as physical networking…go to job fairs, go to mixers, AICPA lunches, go to happy hours with friends in the industry and once you mention you’re an accountant this is looking for a new firm…doors open because everyone wants a referral bonus.
Chief
Can job fairs actually be quite beneficial then?
When I was in law school, someone said “Networking is just doing stuff. With people.”
Chief
How do you make the initial connection with those people though?