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It’d be helpful to know how many firms you’ve been at over the last five years and the gaps, so we can help craft a rationale with you.
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I have seen countless posts asking if job hopping is such a big deal any more. And endless people giving the advice out that it doesnt matter, people do it so much now that its acceptable. One or two moves maybe, but keep doing it and this is the spot you land in. You become nearly unemployable for any position worth while. Each move you made so you could make more money, only seeing a couple inches in front of your face and not miles down the road. Well, youre miles down the road now and are about to be completley unemployed, for months possibly. When you do finally find a job its likely it will be at a paycut and possibly doing something you have no interest in. And then the cycle will begin again. And at the end of the day did you actually make any more money overall?
Not only does it show lack of commitment, but spending such little time at firm after firm shows that your growth is likely stunted, each move comes with onboarding time where you aren't productive and aren't learning. So even if you are five years practicing you have the experience of a younger attorney.
This is one example of what many will likely face when they thought they could jump around while the market was hot and make more money each move. When the market slows, and layoffs begin, you're the first to go and you have nothing to show for experience when you try to get a new job.
You need to take a position, likely at a paycut, learn and master an area of law and stick with it and stay put. You will make money down the road when you become a good attorney. There's endless money to be made but you gotta have skills man.
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You can give whatever excuse you want. We aren't talking about one jump here, we're talking about 4 jumps in 5 years.
Also is the aggression in the room with us?
If you look at me the wrong way, I’ll change jobs. I know this is creating similar headaches for me, but I. Just. Can’t. Stop.
Do contract work through Robert half or axiom.
I should definitely look into it
How many firms have you been at?
What do your resume gaps look like and how many months? Firms, even in-house may perceive a flight risk, so you have to explain the gaps/multiple lateral moves in 5 years to their satisfaction. Are you only trying to go in-house?
Sending you my support! I am / was in a similar position so I know the feeling very well. You’re not alone. We’ll get through this somehow. The future looks bleak right now, but hopefully later we’ll be able to look back and appreciate the journey (I know, easier said than done).
Okay a lot of these moves weren’t voluntary. It’s easy to judge on these anonymous forum but I think I need help not judgment. What is done is done. I did not voluntarily move from firm to firm for money. I am a person of color, and have been discriminated for various situations that I am not going to enumerate. If anyone has any constructive feedback or suggestions to give, that would be great.
Being the victim of discrimination is never okay, but sometimes can be difficult to explain during an interview without coming off as a disgruntled employee that doesn't like accountability, hardwork, lacks interpersonal skills/doesn't play well with others, etc.. Employment gaps are okay, as long as you can explain them well.
Maybe try exploring using the legal skills you do have at a nonprofit lawfirm e.g. Legal Aid Society, Volunteer Lawyers Network, etc.. Many fresh law grads get their feet wet by working at firms like these, honing their skills, and building solid employment history. You may make less money as a staff attorney, but the social justice work you'll do for those in need is very rewarding.
All of the money and countless hours put into studying law should not go to waste. If you’re experiencing difficulties securing employment in a certain area of law, try changing your perspective, expand your search and be prepared to pivot a little. We have to crawl before we walk.
if you have good connections no gaps ever exist
I think you should speak to a proper legal career recruiter or connect with your law school career center - just for general advice and encouragement that this platform may not be well equipped for. Also you may want to consider Robert Half/Trustpoint/Major Lindsey Africa and the likes. They often recruit for in house roles where you’ll be working through them and the company may then chose to take you on directly. You’ll want to take Trustpoint and Robert Half with a grain of salt though, they are hit or miss. Also, look at other geographic locations/demography. Good luck
It’s so hard, are you willing to relocate? That could be a way to spin this next move. I did two 2 year stints as a big law associate and then went in house expecting to be there for a long chunk of time and then laid off through a corporate reorganization. Took me 9 months to find a new role, I wish you luck!
Do you still want to practice law?
I work at Dentons and am hoping to qualify as an associate. Is it a respected firm in the legal profession? I know it’s the largest in the world.
I would encourage you to make a separate post instead of replying to someone else. More people will see it.
Can you boomerang? Or at least ask for more website time?
You have enough experience to go out on your own. Take overflow work from firms, then move into marketing yourself and doing BD. It might not be your first thought, but it’s an option. There are a lot of attorneys who’ve done it with less experience. Look at Best Era, they have a whole network of people that you can network with and ask questions to.