If you're on a PiP, is it better to quit just before the end stage, when you get fired, or better to get fired and collect unemployment, but also have a company-based termination on your record

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If you like what you’re doing, use this opportunity to find another company that will pay more for you to do the same thing and start over fresh.

I was at risk of being put on a PIP at my previous big 4 for having differences in business approach vs firm leadership and am now a top performer at Deloitte S&O. PIPs aren’t always indicative of poor performance, sometimes it’s political.

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@D2 I agree. Was on a PIP at the boutique firm I worked at a couple of years ago. Ultimately I was let go. I collected unemployment and evaluated my options. Landed at Big4 and have been a solid performer. My manager who put me on the PIP nitpicked every deliverable to death (10 revision cycles minimum) and made me feel like a failure every day. I have not had that experience since. I say keep hunting, take a good offer if you get one. If you get let go, enjoy the opportunity to evaluate your options.

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Start looking elsewhere now is the best route to take

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Take the severance and a vacation. But have something lined up soon after. Mostly likely your record will remain confidential, and HR won’t disclose anything beyond title and dates of employment

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Option 3: work to get off the PIP?

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Good luck, SC1! It's lousy when they give up on you and engineer failure, rather than act like real leaders and diagnose the underlying issues

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Doing that, but may not land before PiP is up

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Companies can only disclose dates of employment and salary (if you allow). They can’t see why you left other companies. However, if you ever go through the government clearance process, you have to disclose if you left under less-than-favorable conditions

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Definitely:
Find another job;
Do not quit; no one will ever know why, and
Get the severance

I worked at IBM long enough to see them rehire people who were fired for cause and left scorch earth farewell letters.

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What is PiP?

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Companies can disclose anything factual that they wish to. Normally they do not disclose to avoid lawsuits.

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@SM1 too much hassle to make it worthwhile. This is a job seekers market where we’re at an all time low for unemployment rates (there are more jobs out there than talent). For someone currently at a big name firm, it wouldn’t be ideal to waste all the energy and effort on a “maybe” when there’s probably a million other opportunities out there that could net a pay bump without having to worry about re-building your damaged reputation.

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Take that severance and make up a good story about why you left

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@PWC2 I am living the scenario you described right now. I’m at a boutique firm and put on a PIP based on the idea that intense manual data analytics work I do should not require any QC prior to going to one of our internal subject matter experts. I feel like I’m being set up to fail constantly and have no support from my own team. I’m interviewing for an industry job now but the process has been dragging on for months. If I get let go prior to getting an offer for the new job, do I have to disclose why I left or will my firm tell them? Or will they only say that I worked from xx/xx/xx - xx/xx/xx?

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The general belief is that employers only provide employment dates. Nothing else. That said, it seems the companies can share more, but choose not to, due to lawsuit fears

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SC1, Glad you found my experience relatable. I was suffering from intense depression and anxiety. I was hospitalized and went out on FMLA for 8 weeks. I’d been PIP’ed about two weeks prior and it was still in force when I returned. I was better able to handle the stress, but it was still difficult to have everything I did nitpicked to death. I thought about trying to fight my dismissal based on having just returned from medical leave 6 weeks earlier, but decided I didn’t want to stay somewhere where a manager who managed like that was promoted. Don’t worry about a new employer knowing whether you were let go or left. When background checks are done, all your former employer can say is that you worked there and the dates of start and end. HR people give that info, and don’t aren’t supposed to say more than that, and typically don’t even know more than that. I wouldn’t worry about it.

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PWC2, thank you so much for the advise and I’m so sorry you went through that.

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Are you sure you’re going to get fired and won’t make the improvement needed for the PIP?

If you are on a pip and quit, you still may not be eligible for rehire, which is basically the only “record” that would be shared with background and reference checks. Take that severance!

Do companies know the reason you left? I thought they can only see the dates you worked from

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