Interviewing for a Sr position at an agency. they’ve asked me to do a concepting exploration for a brand that’s currently their client, providing conceptual ideas and HLs. I feel like...

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I had the exact same thing happen for a small agency with a large telecomm client. They sent over a three page document with four different assignments on it. It was presented as “wanting to get the right person for the role.” I promptly passed

Lol I don’t work for free, boo boo.

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OP, I'm writing this off the cuff so take gist / rework however it makes sense to you to make yours but I'd go along the lines of:
Thank you for your continued interest in me for the position. As I'm currently employed elsewhere and not part of your full-time team yet, I feel I may not be able to fully showcase my best thinking this deserves in this format. Is there a specific concern you may have or something that you feel is not fully reflected in my book that I can help address? Or I'd also be happy to discuss a potential short-term freelance assignment if you're interested to help advance my candidacy and ensure I'm fully addressing your request

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This happened to me. I was incredibly insulted. I decided to do it, and I spent probably three to four days on the assignment. I got the job, but I felt disrespected. My first day on the job, I hated the ECD by noon. He was a dictator, a micromanager and a tremendous prick. If they’re going to disrespect you by asking you to do free work, I can confidently say they will disrespect you in other ways as well. Don’t do it.

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It’s a rude and inappropriate request imo but whether and how you decline comes down to how much you want/need the job. It’s a red flag that they are likely to be disrespectful as an employer in lots of other ways. If you don’t need this job, take it as the red flag it is and move on. If you’re ambivalent, craft a note that is respectful to yourself and your experience (but not indignant) and if they want you and are decent they’ll respect the logic of your boundaries; possible (likely even) that they won’t though. So if, for whatever reason, you really want/need this, then do what their asking. Or try to get to a compromise on a day or few days as a freelancer, which is entirely reasonable.

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Nope. Unless you are right out of school and looking to become some sort of intern, this is wrong on all levels. Hell, agencies have historically blasted away at the pitch process for business that requires months of free work, just to be told you didn’t get the business, but it’s okay when it comes to their own hires?

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Ugh, please share the company name

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Take your power back. A job interview is a two-way street. You are interviewing them, too. This is a red flag, and it suggests business practices that would make this company an undesirable place for you to work. I would come right out and tell them it’s a red flag, ethically and respect-wise. You don’t want to work there anyway, and maybe it will make them stop and think for a minute.

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I seriously think the freelance one is the smartest. It’s subtle but clear and you sound less like a jerk than getting wordy and awkward, which will happen if you try to be honest. It’s a job situation, you should side step confidently

If you aren’t feeling that bold,tack on a “thanks for your understanding and consideration!” Or something

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Is this common practice? I’ve interviewed at two agencies and both wanted to do a writing test even though I’ve been working at a global agency for 4 years and have a portfolio that was praised by the creative directors at those agencies.

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I like CD1’s approach too.

@Art Director 1, it’s not really normal in tech. Yes, devs get standard code tests and problems to solve, less to prove efficiency than to see how elegantly, creatively, compactly someone can solve a problem. But no, not for actual client or production work.

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This happened to me when applying for a start up tech company. I asked them to sign a document saying that I own the ideas and if they wish to use them without hiring me, they need to pay for my time. They thought that was reasonable. If you do the assignment, I’d show it to them on a google doc where you can them delete the relevant slides when you decide to

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THIS is how Fishbowl should always be. Supportive! Love this thread.

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What agency? Feel like this should be exposed. Already bad enough clients don’t want to pay. Now agencies?

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It's better than HUGE making you give a TED talk to their brain trust. That was a career low point.

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Alec Beckett at Nail in Rhode Island gave me two days freelance after I interviewed for a junior position. Wrote some radio ads. He gave me some nice feedback. Didn't offer me job. I still think that was decent of him. It was a good experience.

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In tech it’s normal. Engineers are given tasks to solve to prove their efficiency. It’s not that crazy. Think of all the hacks that have work in their books that they barely touched.

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“We don’t love him enough when he presents us a portfolio of polished considered work.... maybe we will like him more if he gives us some quickly concepted headline ideas?” 🤔🤔🤔

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Red Flag. Red Flag.

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@CD1 is spot on. There’s really no good result in doing an assignment for free.

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OP, to clarify my advice, it's based solely on your last comment looking for a way to respond with a No, but in a non aggressive sounding way so I was going for a "clientized" version 😄 If you're looking for snark as some other comments have suggested, I also excel at sarcasm and can go all out on that, but I don't recommend it, hehe. Just not worth it. I completely agree this request is inappropriate.

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Wow I thought this only happens to juniors. Lame.

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You definitely don’t have time for that and definitely no one of substance asks for it. Small shops with no chops ask for free work

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