Is it possible to transition to transactional work after two years in litigation? How difficult is it or what will the contract attorneys appreciate about someone with litigation experience?

like
Posting as :
works at
You are currently posting as works at

If you’ve litigated contractual disputes, you can try to spin that: you know which dozen words in the contract actually really matter for liability, and have seen what exact phrasing liability has hinged on. But… you likely won’t find someone willing to hire you to straight up switch.

Best bet is going to a smaller firm that hires you for lit but will let you touch some transactional work. The full extent of what you actually do doesn’t matter, what matters is being able to put transactional work on your resume (and so long as you learned enough to BS an interview). The other reason is it allows you to keep litigating, 2 years isn’t very long at all; there will be a presumption (keeping you from interviews) that you haven’t done anything substantive yet- which you can’t rebut unless you can get an interview!

Transactional work isn’t in a vacuum, you need to negotiate with counter-parties (with no judge to enforce rulings). While simple on paper, it’s actually chock full of very nuanced unwritten customs that are easy to accidentally violate and piss off the other side.

like

Related Posts

What advice would you give a new L7 in cyber coming from D? Will it be hard to rebuild a network?

Hi, Please can some share approx London salary bandings in Tax Consulting for SM, D and what was considered AP grades at EY. Failed to find clear info on Glassdoor.

Hi #Airbus fishes, Can someone throw some light on the the different grades/designations ? I see E4 , Technology Lead mentioned in my offer letter.

like

How can I change consulting career paths to more technical careers such as data scientist, ai engineer, software engineer etc...?

like

Hi Fishes, I immediately need to switch my role related to Data science/ML/AI with good hike. Suggest some companies and ways. I'm willing to learn new things after deployment.

YOE : 1.5 years as Python developer

Skills : C, Python, Excel in writing SQL queries, Swagger, Microservices, PostgreSql Aws(Lambda, Api gateway, SNS, SQS), Angularjs, PHP.

For those of you that jumped from Big 4 to smaller audit firms, what are some of the things that you did that helped you have a successful and fulfilling career at your smaller firm?

like

Sick of slogging in consulting and only making 42,000 a year. I feel like I’m getting robbed but don’t have enough experience to pivot to industry

likefunny

Looking to transition to cloud computing sales. I have a 20 year sales history in IT sales but I have never sold any cloud computing products. Would any of the free certifications help ?

Which platform is more valuable to pursue expertise in, AWS or Azure?

like

Is data analyst at a Bank a good profile? Does it get a lot of offers from others companies or will my growth be stagnated?

What should be the designation for 11+ exp in Oracle India?

like

Looking to pivot out of a top pharma marketing/ad agency and into consulting. Ultimately want to leverage both experiences to move client side or to a healthcare start up.

What are the best firms for this type of transition and why?

like

Any other loan officers in here? I'm trying to decide if I should dig in with the current market or look to pivot. I've only been a loan officer since 10/2020. So this is my first rough patch. The style of leads my company provided was different than what they have me doing now. It went from hot inquiries to cold call center calls. My wife makes good money, but I don't want her to carry our finances for long as we are a team. What jobs could I look to pivot to if I pivot? Thanks fishes!

likehelpful

I’m an Environmental Protection Specialist and make pretty good money for what I do. I just feel like I have more to offer than being a worker bee in a system at 25. I work with a lot of retirees and would love to return in my latter professional years. I have my Bachelors in Applied Coastal Environmental Science and want to expand my options. Any suggestions that won’t require me taking a crazy pay cut? I’m pretty much open to anything.

like

Curious if anyone else is or has been in the same boat. I started as an assistant at an entertainment law firm prior to passing the bar. Upon passing, the partner told me they would hire an assistant for me since I now became an associate. That was 1.5 years ago and I am still in the limbo of juggling my own workload + doing assistant roles for my supervisors. I have also had no increase in pay, which is a huge deal for me. Is this normal in the entertainment world? Any suggestions?

like

Hello Fishes ...
Please help me

I'm looking for a entry-level role in finance domain and I would appreciate your support.

Recent MBA-FINANCE graduate with a focus in Investment banking, Financial markets, Financial analysis and reporting

If anyone knows of a job opening where I would be a good fit, I'd appreciate if you could send them my way! Of course, if you have any suggestions for where to start my career, or anyone you'd recommend I speak to, I would be very grateful.

like

Just began studying for the CFE exam. I have access to past editions of the ACFE Fraud Examiners Manual. Does anyone have recommendations on where to get good practice questions? I’d like to avoid spending a fortune on the ACFE kit.

like

Hello all, I'm a junior level consultant in the ERP space. I'm passionate about energy and the growing renewables field. Given my current career, are there any careers I can pivot to in the future or will my ERP background hinder me from getting into the renewables industry?

Hi, I'm getting lot of interview calls for SAP SD Consultant but they want someone experienced 2 to 3 years of experience, 1 or 2 implementation done, support or rollout etc, Relevant experience of sap is zero I have, for BFSI industry is 3+ years I've, so what would u suggest??I'm not getting any work, 5 months gap already now in doing SAP course, hana certifications etc,any fresher in SAP, how u made it in SAP? I'll start working anywhere now, in SAP I'm not getting anything, tired or have i

like

Anyone here doing Pharma marketing or any sort of data analyst work? If so, please let me treat you to coffee in exchange to pick your brain!

I’m curious about your career path, day in the life, do you enjoy it? Would love to connect!

like

More Posts

Strat consultants: work performance Remote vs In-Office. Do you find you are able to perform better in an office as there are less ways you can procrastinate or relax than at home?

like

How much time it takes to get call for HR round after having managerial round of UBS ?

How do I easily find any cells that are hard coded vs formula? I have 10,000 rows of data and column F is supposed to be a formula based on columns C and D, without clicking into all 10k cells in column F how can I make sure formulas are there and not accidentally hand keyed over?

like

I hate the world “guncle.” It makes me sick to my stomach. Someone called me one today - I have 8 nephews / nieces. I do not want to be called a guncle. Curious if anyone else dislikes this term?

like

I am a Client Executive with 7 years in the industry and 5 years of HR experience prior to that. I make 60k, am I underpaid?

like

Any CLT,NC businesses looking to hire for a Junior level Full stack developer / Junior Front-End Developer/ Technology Associate /Systems Engineer entry level / IT Support Engineer??

like

Anyone from Cognizant who joined recently like last week or so please dm. I need help.

Thank you

like

Hello! I’m wondering if anybody has any advice in getting into HR? I graduated in 2020 with a degree in psychology and had a temporary internship in HR which didn’t teach me much. I have experience in customer service, sales, counseling etc. Any advice on roles and/or fields that would kickstart a career in HR? Thanks!

like

RIP James Gunn’s career. Can we be done with the outrage machine now?

like

Kläder på jobbet.
Jag blev anställd under covid och har inte behövt köpa en enda kostym ännu. Skulle uppskatta lite råd kring detta ämne, märken, färg och sånt?
Typ marinblå eller grå Oscar Jacobsson / Tiger / Boss?
För Män alltså.

like

How hands-on are you in scrum meetings?

like

Resume question I've had three positions over my career one of which lasted 3 months and that I got fired from, the job search took an additional 2 months. Is it worth it to leave the 3 month stint off my resume? It might be easier to explain getting fired then a 5-month gap I was thinking

like
like

Wanna a learn Data Science cource.Anya vs suggestions please

like

Do you get corporate discount for getting a new phone at Salesforce?

likefunny

Anyone getting blown up on LinkedIn by franchisee opportunities? I have never indicated interest but get a new message from someone trying to pitch me almost every day…

like

Atlanta actress looking to network and audition for film, tv, and theatre!

like

Don't know how to choose BTW Kellogg and Booth. Want to be done at the end of the week

like

ELI5: back door Roth and mega back door Roth. What are they, who do they benefit, how to realize?

like

Additional Posts in Litigation & Arbitration

So is it just me or do people who have been doing ID for decades generally fall into one of two groups? The first group are cynical people who have been divorced, their kids hate them, etc. then the second group are BS artists who are skilled at avoiding both work and responsibility for anything?

likefunnyhelpful

In Texas, does anyone have any advice on what questions to ask general contractor in deposition? We represent subcontractor. I think I have my outline completed but wanted to know if I was missing anything else.

like

My work doesn’t require us to be licensed in a particular state (i am licensed in my home country) - International Arbitration. What are the obvious benefits of getting licensed in New York?

like

Does anyone else constantly put off putting their time in as they go and then hate their life at the end of the month? Then once you get caught up, you don’t want to enter more time, and so you fall behind again. It’s a vicious cycle.

like

To the author the the “Lately I’ve been getting the vibe that I am [being Frozen Out (BigLaw term of art for your concerns or situation)]. My TOME on how to handle the situation through every route if and until you leave BigLaw appears to have suddenly NOW posted. 🤷🏻‍♀️🤦🏻‍♀️. My keyboard is sticking on the site so there are surely typos (I long ago turned off Auto-Corrupt). My sympathy, best wishes, and offer of trustworthy support(BEEN THERE, SEEN IT, put in my decade in BigLaw) still stands.

like

Hello, second year commercial litigation associate here looking for a recruiter. Preferably Suffolk County or eastern Nassau County. Any recommendations?

like

So here in CA there is a lot of talk about certain jurisdictions doing virtual jury trials. As a firm we won’t agree to it and if push comes to shove we’ll take it up on. Writ. What is everyone else’s opinion?

like

What do you guys think the salary range should be for a 5th year lit associate at a boutique shop in NYC? Sophisticated clients, mostly international work, well known in their practice areas. Obviously it’s not going to be market, but still curious as to thoughts on rough ballpark. High 1s, low 2s? +/- ??

likesmart

Should Dropbox be used as the main file system for a busy Litigation office? Help me prove that it shouldn’t and suggest a software that your firm uses.

like

What is the longest deposition you’ve sat through? …..I’m currently in one thats been going for 10 hours. 🙃

likefunny

I’ve been working at a rather prestigious midsized firm in a big city for almost a year and a half now. I have been having a lot of trouble picking up work from senior partners. We are required to bill at least 150 hours per month to meet our requirement. My months are typically only 110-130 hours. It seems like the senior partners already have their “go to” associate for things. Does anyone have any suggestions on how i can increase my workload? I reach out for work pretty much weekly.

like

I have a case I have enough evidence on to go to summery judgement on off the gate. Procedurally what's the best way to go a out this? D's are unrepresented and extremely difficult about settlement talks.

like

I work at a small firm with not that many workable templates so I usually have to do everything from scratch like drafting motions, pleadings, and researching all potential counts every time. Do bigger firms have better and more templates that allow you to have to do less research?

like

Trying to get ahead of my caseload feels like trying to climb a hill made of loosely-packed pebbles. No matter how much I scrabble, I’m sliding closer and closer to the bottom.

How do you get caught up (or even ahead) when you’re always behind? Assume that all things that can be offloaded have been offloaded. I cannot take one more all nighter trying to get a motion drafted two days before the deadline because I couldn’t get to it earlier.

like

Anyone have insight on Adams and Reese (culture, pay, hours, etc)?

like

Currently at a super conservative defense firm. I do really well but keep getting the criticism that I tend to just do things on my own initiative. I’m just predisposed to being decisive and rather autonomous. Besides being a solo atty, where would this skillset be better suited? Plaintiffs work?

I just learned that I get to argue all of our pre-trial motions and do a direct examination at an upcoming trial. What are your best tips for preparing and setting yourself up for success? I want to hear them all! I’m beyond excited for the opportunity. It’s for our biggest client, so I really want to impress!

like

I have a deadline to respond to a Motion for SMJ in 1 1/2 weeks. I just found out that my grandparents who I haven’t seen since the start of the pandemic will visit this week. I want to spend as much time as possible with them but it will be hard with my response due. I really don’t want to tell the Court that I am seeking an extension for personal reason, what would be a good reason to provide? I clearly don’t want to misstate anything but is there some general, vague language that can be used?

like

I feel like this is the busiest billable December I’ve had. Anyone else absolutely swamped with work this month?

like

What’s the most unprofessional thing you’ve seen in a deposition recently?

like

New to Fishbowl?

Download the Fishbowl app to
unlock all discussions on Fishbowl.
That was just a preview…
Sign Up to see all discussions
  • Discover what it’s like to work at companies from real professionals
  • Get candid advice from people in your field in a safe space
  • Chat and network with other professionals in your field
Sign up in seconds to unlock all discussions on Fishbowl.

Already a user?
Login here

Share

Embed this post

Copy and paste embed code on your site

Preview

Download the
Fishbowl app

See what’s happening in your industry
from the palm of your hand.

A phone with Fishbowl app

Scan your QR code to download
Fishbowl app on your mobile

Download app

Sign up for free to view this conversation on Fishbowl

By continuing you agree to Terms of Use and Privacy Policy

Already have an account? Log in

Sign up for free to continue using Fishbowl

By continuing you agree to Terms of Use(New) and Privacy Policy(New)
Messaging rates may apply

Already have an account? Log in

For account settings, visit Fishbowl on Desktop Browser or

General

Legal