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You get a six figure salary and stock in return...
Sure, low six figures in an area with rents around $6K/month and high income tax. What a deal. Also, stock is maybe worth a year's salary then gets cut in half by taxes (so 6 months pay) after working 24/7 for years until exit. You never earn enough to buy a house....maybe not even save enough for a down payment.
Man, I really have an opposite experience from yall. I have a kiddo and animals, 100% remote, good pay and benefits, and I feel like my work is cozy ( getting in is quite difficult, I agree totally and layoffs are terrifying). Those sound like toxic companies, not that it’s the job.
( I’m not in FAANG)
I’d rather not say, but it’s a late stage startup. I’ve worked at a few other companies before this with similar experiences — good colleagues, flexibility, good managers. Again, none in FAANG, but US based
Everybody Tom Dick and Jane flooded the market by either getting a CS degree or some boot camp. Which means most of the SWE works has gotten too easy. It's time to skill up and learn something new (just look at the job postings, ML is big). If you want good money, follow the money.
and honestly... a degree is meaningless these days. I have worked with some folks with zero ability with BS in CS degrees. Give me someone with 10 years experience actually CODING as opposed to zero years and a degree any day.
I like how you say for the money… you get nothing in return. you get the money, which provides you your entire life and well being like a roof over your head and food … and many get to work remote full time. it’s a matter of personal opinion bc for some the work is enjoyable and rewarding…. and others ‘brutal’
I hear this a lot but I have a totally different experience. Anytime I've been without a SWE job I was able to land one within 3-4 weeks. I love my current role, fully remote, great salary and benefits, great team. Life is good right now.
Consider yourself lucky. I'm glad for you, but that is not the experience most are having. I was laid off for six months before I found another job; I know extremely competent people that have been out of work for over a year.
Yeah, but have you ever tried making a perfect grilled cheese sandwich while being chased by a goose? Some battles just can't be won.
You forgot long long hours.
True. But what line of work doesn't have that? The main difference is that you are getting paid 2, 5, maybe 10 times or more what most of the working class get paid.
Work sucks at any level.
"What line of work doesn't have that" have you considered the possibility that NO line of work should have that? How do you type those words and not realize that that's precisely the problem? Ah, wait, "Manager," that explains it. You cant conceive of a system that prioritizes the needs of the many over the wallets of the few, all you know how to do is dismiss people's grievances by telling them other people have it worse. When you're put on the chopping block the executioner will tell you to stop complaining because Jeff Bezos got drawn and quartered.
Who doesn't love getting treated like a replaceable cog in a machine to be used like a political pawn? Tech no longer is attached to reality due to the financial connections, so in effect, your work no longer impacts reality. The financial and political landscape is what impacts tech, so you can be a high performer, great engineer, but none of that matters.
Yeah I’m burnt out AF, trying to switch careers. Let the shtty bosses do the coding.
Yep!!
It is absolutely a "who do you know" job market for SE's. We posted an SE level 1 role and had 984 applicants within 24 hours, granted half of those were automatically filtered-out because they required sponsorship but I can not emphasize enough that this is why it is CRUCIAL to have key words on your resume. As recruiters there is absolutely no way we can get through all of the applicants so we use keywords, Geo (agreed that HCOL cities are usually refined to exclude all of CA, NYC, etc. even if you have "open to relocate" selected.) People try to "game" the ATS but I will never understand why, the truth is going to come out, especially regarding sponsorship! Now if you're open to relocation, just list a different city/state on your LinkedIn/Resume, that's no big deal for most recruiters as long as you're not looking for monetary assistance!
There’s definitely a lot easier jobs out there that pay more money for less work. Sales for example is one of them. Project management.
Take your idea. Develop it in our own time. Produce a marketing brief and execute it. No problem.
I made a million dollars for my company one year with my idea. Could I have made it, no. But I got rewarded for the idea and the customer and the business was very happy.
You are a cog in a wheel. I have never developed from scratch. Always had something to grow or a similar system to recreate with better functions.
You have been working for the wrong teams and companies. The role is not the issue it is the mindset. Crappy company, leave. Replaceable skill set, learn a new one. Crappy team, look for a lateral move in the company. Layoffs???? They are everywhere regardless of title.
If you think software engineering roles are brutal, try spending a year working construction. You’ll love your first summer working helping the roofers as a person with no prior experience. For anywhere from 1/3rd to an 8th of the pay.
I feel you there. If I could make the money I make as a PM framing houses or bartending again, I’d do it in a second. I wouldn’t give two weeks.
Buddy, you get all those negatives in any job in return for way less money
Maybe the field isn’t for everyone? I have minimal complaints about my career. Don’t assume that everyone has the same experiences. I love technology, I love my work, I love my coworkers, and I’ve only experienced 1 cut in 10+ years. My pay is good too.
i prefer data entry
Duh.
Things certainly vary from industry to industry and
from company to company. In increasingly larger
fraction of available jobs are in SaaS companies
(which include Web, ecommerce, social media
and financial) where cost cutting and rushing
things out the door (or actually out the window)
is the name of the game. Ditto startups. There
are fewer software product companies than 10
or 20 or 30 years ago. Start one and you will be
richer and happier. Good luck!
Worked 18 years with SW Engineers... I understand. Working just to take orders is dull, not that I didn't enjoy helping customers, I loved the hands on, real time excitement of helping them operate the product in the field (typically on an airplane) but the motivation comes from within, and from fulfilling needs, not some team building koombaya. Keep dreaming up your own side projects to make money independently, obviously taking breaks here and there, and eventually one of them might build financial traction while you build skills at light speed as a fallback. SW people complain about AI replacing them. I see it as making coding much less frustrating and speeding up time to my own end product, which thankfully I have.