Man this Bowl is filled with some angry mid-levels. We get it, this job was hard for you, but it is for juniors now, too. Stop punching down.

I don’t think the juniors are entitled, they just want to share in their firms’ wealth. Surely any salary increases for the Classes of 2019, 2020, and 2021 would easily pay for themselves through billable hours.

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I think there's a case for third years. First and second years make more than many CEOs and they are not CEOs. You can get these awesome increases too--hang around!

I've been in biglaw and in house. At some point, smart in house counsel are going to put: no first or second years are allowed on my matters. There is a limit as to what clients are willing to pay to train you.

And I swear, I am a kind and awesome midlevel. My juniors love me. I'm not advocating for you to get paid less because I did once.

I know you first and second years are working really hard. I see it. But I'm still unconvinced.

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A1, I’m a 3rd year lit associate and I’m constantly being asked to take on new matters for this very reason. I don’t get assigned work because I’m great at my job. I get assigned work because I’m relatively cheap and not completely incompetent.

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You are making over 200k already. You benefit from the higher scale already because it’s guaranteed for you so long as you stick around in biglaw long enough. What is so wrong about rewarding people for more experience?! You will one day (soon! Like so soon, you have no idea how fast time moves as you get older) be the people with more experience too. It’s not like anyone is asking you to work for peanuts in the meantime either.

You literally sound like younger siblings crying because you don’t get to drive when you’re 14 but your big brother got a car for his 16th birthday. You’ll get to drive when you’re 16, same as everyone else… not to mention big brother also has to drive you around everywhere until then because mom and dad don’t have time and don’t want to bother and said that’s a condition of giving big brother the car.

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I think A7 makes an excellent point, but to that regard, law firms understand that. The whole point is that they really want to retain and incentivize people to stay, hence the big jumps once you reach mid-level. No one wants to throw money into the void knowing that juniors likely won’t stay regardless of a small pay increase. It all makes sense to me. (first year speaking — would’ve loved to be included in most recent round of re-raises but understand there’s not rlly a business case for it)

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I’d say at 215k someone with no experience is sharing in the wealth. The firms do want to try to incentivize you to stick around, which aint crazy.

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The incentive only work if there’s not dozens of law firms paying the same salary for 8 years of employment. Vinson and Elkins while a great firm is not near as profitable and near as sweaty as Simpson Thacher NY.

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As a third year who billed crazy hours during the past two years, I don’t mind being grouped into the “junior” pool for the recent salary increase and I am happy to wait another year. I just hope firms will not expect us to hit even longer billable hours to justify our salary.

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What makes people think a first year necessarily has no experience? I know plenty of first years that worked in business or finance for a few years before law school. I know it’s not exactly the same, but a lot of these “juniors” are 30 years old and more impressive/mature than your average K-JD mid-level.

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Solution: strive to be minimally competent but not win any awards for being an outstanding junior.

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Yes, it is.

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It has the benefit of being true.

Here - I will give you $800 post-tax. Come and get it.

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The only people I see mad are partners.

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