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McKinsey and Bain 🐠, do you feel like your firm values you? I really like consulting, but I’m considering a switch since BCG’s culture is somewhat toxic.

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OP, just out of curiosity, what is your role/tenure? I think you’ll find that a lot of people in a lot of companies are struggling right now. I’m struggling to balance the stress of this pandemic, finding time outside of work to support my immediate family, and financially supporting other family members who have been affected way more than me during all of this. Yes, this job is hard. But not for a moment have I not felt supported by case team leadership to do what I need to do or by BCG at large to take space where I need it. If you haven’t been around a while, the struggles you are experiencing may have to do with how hard this job is to do remote, especially early in your career. If you’re more tenured, the stark contrast between pre-COVID and now is tough to deal with (at least I know it is for me). There are plenty of folks in leadership here who take care of their people, and I hope you find them.

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Ex-Bainee here - I feel better at BCG than I did at Bain overall (different geographies though) What I like about BCG: MUCH better WLB (most important to me), smarter people overall, lesser grunt work (i.e. easier to outsource grunt work), lesser forced fun and way less groupthink (I think in the name of culture Bain has a tendency to force everyone into the same mold), more directness (e.g. marginally higher transparency on staffing) What I miss about Bain: I made real friends at the office, some of whom I'm still very close to... didn't have the same experience at BCG (it feels a bit more impersonal and professional) but that obv can be due to a host of other reasons, also the language at Bain (CYA, CLM, Answer First, NUTSAC) was very powerful and everyone spoke it Overall Bain has a more homogenous cultural identity and that comes with its pros and cons

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Which office are you at now - I know hours vary a lot by location with places like NL being the best and EMs being the worst

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I feel valued at BCG.

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I feel extremely valued at BCG, much more so than in my previous career (military). I felt greater purpose there but at the end of the day I was replaceable in a second and it was known. At BCG I have mentors who are significantly invested in both my personal life and my professional development.

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I’m a vet joining BCG soon—happy to hear this. The sentiment aligns with everything I’ve heard and experienced to this point.

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I think this question is funny. What do you mean does the company values you? Let’s stop humanizing companies.

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Yep. My basis for comparison is a previous role in the public sector, where all the talk about "caring for our people" was rarely actually supported by the structures and process. Bain is significantly better.

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I feel valued at BCG and strive to make sure my teams feel valued too. It’s a big company with many different sub cultures and not all are great. I’m sorry OP you don’t feel valued.

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Having recently moved from OW to Bain, I am incredibly surprised, impressed and moved by how much time and effort Bain is putting into making me feel valued and part of the family. The culture has also had a major impact on how I treat others (not that I used to be nasty at OW but Bain so just much more people centred and consultants genuinely seem happier here)

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West Monroe claims to be people first. I’ve been here for about 2 years coming in as an experienced hire. I think they do a pretty good job at that claim. I worked at an MSP that was pretty toxic and the culture change WM provided was very positive. Now I will find out tomorrow if they value my work, as I’m hoping to make the jump to SC.

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Okay I love working at BCG. Yes work can be long but never have I not felt supported by my teams. I think OP it’s about finding the right verticals and building the right relationships

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It’s the same everywhere

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I really like it here. SWE but I feel valued and have several mentors who I’ve learned a lot from. I made sure to put myself in that situation though.

Don’t get me wrong though. I feel very valued here. People genuinely care about me as a person and a young professional, and the Firm gives us great pay and benefit. I just don’t like to say that McK values me, but rather think about what that means for you and how you feel about the people that you’ve, at least tried, to be connected with. This place is awesome if you make it your way.

Mckinsey, nope! 🤣

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