Mulling over an offer. Is work at MBB way more work / significantly more intense than Big 4? I feel like I have a good brand/rep at EY; not sure if effort to rebuild all of that at MBB is worth it?

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Seeing the same thing in financial services, the smaller firms (staff aug) are claiming they can do the same work for lower rates and it's making it tough for us to win more work / win extensions on our work, and it is putting pressure on us to reduce the size of our engagement team to reduce costs. I'm also drawn by the allure of MBB due to the prestige and promise for more money in the long term but have a very comfortable setup at EY and I know that my hours, travel and stress would all likely increase substantially

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More intense? Data from the Reddit /r/consulting suggests so. Personally, 55 hour week is living the dream. 65 more common. >75 pretty uncommon unless it's a DD. That said, there is far less stress around staffing and utilization. We don't talk about utilization / I have no idea what mine is. Beach has been running lean, week between cases if you're lucky.

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What service offering/competency at EY?

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Sorry for asking - what company is MBB?

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McKinsey, Bain, Boston

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OP not sure what you do in PAS but that's not true at all in the markets for Performance, Talent and Systems. Can't speak to Mobility or Rewards. MBB don't yet have the operational consulting focus or resources to compete on the same level in the PAS market. If you want to become a strategy consultant/generalist the move makes sense. I don't agree with your assessment of the human capital market though, not based on my book of business and the pipeline I see.

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OP, what would you be doing at MBB? Would it be similar work or more strategy?

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What would you be doing at MBB?

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Which of the MBB?

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I typically charge 40 hours/week and have recently cut my travel down to 2 days/week. I make pretty decent money for my level/experience. But of course I feel unfulfilled. Life is tough🙄

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Good to know @bcg2. 65 hour weeks aren't bad. But I think the way MBB use those hours are far more efficient/intense than what I do at Big 4. Friend at Bain says spending 1-2 hours on a solution for a client is common practice, then the rest of the time is spent validating that hypothesis. It's just a little intimidating. I guess I should be more confident in my own skills.

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@C1 @EY8 consultant at Bain. Typical strategy work. No industry/function focus

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@C1 in performance as well. Miss the days of P&OC #wistful but yeah that's exactly the issue/worry that I have about staying at EY.

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OP I don't know your level or speciality but if you are legacy P&OC looking at the broad human capital market, a lot of it is operationally focused, very fragmented and not dominated by any one player. The market for change management services is less so, but our brand there is very strong across most of the world. Sometimes what people call "strategy" work is really about wanting less commoditized work, driving broad strategic change, or maybe just working with clients higher up the chain. I'd recommend you talk to some partners...outside of your region if you aren't connecting to your local leadership. If you are legacy P&OC and have been around a few years there is an excellent chance that we know one another. Part of what we discuss as partners is how people form these impressions and then decide to leave, but if they had talked it through with someone maybe that wouldn't have happened. I'd urge you to give your leaders a chance to hear what's on your mind before leaving.

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@EY7 10 years ago McK was clearly #1 and BCG and Bain were equals. Since then, BCG has narrowed the gap to McK and distanced Bain on a couple of dimensions. Breadth of capabilities. Digital offering. Global reach. To name a few.

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@EY5 how do you propose to share who you are and connect off of FB?

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Very true @EY2. Seen a lot of boomerangs in SM/PPEDDs

@EY5 that's reassuring. I guess I'm just not seeing it in my region. Also not sure if PAS is the right service line for me. I've heard it's hard to make that pivot within Big 4 to strategy.

What do you do in PAS OP? As in what pillar are you in? Performance just has their quarterly call yesterday and from what I saw the numbers weren't ideal for either pas as a whole or performance if that helps

@BCG1 how do and why would that comment be construed as arrogant?

How so*

@op how did you get recruited?

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