My new job's 401(k) plan allows for the mega backdoor Roth IRA. I am pretty confused by the strategy. Namely, can someone please explain --

1.) Why would someone do this? My HH income is well into the 32% bracket and my spouse and I max our 401(k)s, backdoor IRAs, HSA, 529 for the state deduction, have an emergency fund, rest in brokerage

2.) Assuming it's worth it, how would I practically do this? I'm assuming this is more involved than just keeping the paycheck contribution on.

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1. Its just an additional tax advantaged account you have access to. Makes sense to use if you have maxed your 401k contributions for the year, and have additional funds to invest.
2. Can’t speak for the company you work for, but my process is just a few clicks on my 401k providers app / website. I essentially just move my pre-tax contribution to after-tax contribution and check a box that says convert to roth.

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My company has it through fidelity. For me, it is as easy as a paycheck contribution once I set it up. I had to call fidelity and tell the to auto convert any after tax contribution to Roth. Now they do it each paycheck

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Saddest part (at least at EY) is we’re capped at $15k. But better than $0, I guess.

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You would do it because you would otherwise have put money in a taxable brokerage account and you know that a dollar in Roth is worth more than a dollar in taxable, and they both cost you a dollar to buy. :)

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1. Put simply, it’s extra Backdoor Roth.
You already do that, so you understand the benefit.

2. You make “Post tax (non Roth)” contributions.
In themselves these are not so great, but the beautiful trick is that you can immediately convert them to Roth.
Call your pension administrator, they will likely walk you through the process.

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This is a great option and great for whatever you put in brokerage because in essence it’s a way to back door more into a Roth

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This is a massive benefit for me as I would just be buying into taxable brokerage with that money otherwise. I set it up with my work’s 401k at Fidelity once and set it to auto convert from after tax contribution to Roth 401k.

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