SEEKING ADVICE: I received an offer (see redacted photo) from a private insurance defense & commercial litigation law firm. My five years of practicing law have solely been in criminal law (both as a Prosecutor and defense attorney in TX, CA, CO), plus 1.5 years in Family/Appellate law.

I know nothing about this sector other than what I've read. I’m not familiar with billable hours or how they would reflect on my work-life balance. I have three kids, the oldest is six ..(continued below)..

Post Photo
Posting as :
works at
You are currently posting as works at

Plaintiff personal injury is a different day-to-day than insurance defense. Even prelit plaintiff PI vs lit plaintiff PI is a different day-to-day. And plaintiff PI vs ID is a very different compensation structure. You can’t compare your friend’s plaintiff PI job to ID. Is the ID firm doing solely car wrecks with majority soft tissue injuries? Or more commercial vehicle, or catastrophic injury cases — not just car wrecks? What’s the bonus structure? Is the hours requirement 2000 realized/paid hours or simply 2000 billed, including write offs/cut billing? What are their expectations of you the first week? 30 days? 6 months? Will you have your own case load or just lit support for your partner? All that being said, you simply have to weigh all factors—professionally and personally—as to what you want to do/what’s most important to you.

like

[Continued]…

Does anyone have experience, for better or worse, transitioning into insurance defense litigation? The Firm mentioned 2,000 billable hours, claiming it’s easy to hit, but I have no idea.

Can defense work turn out to be fairly lucrative? I have a friend who does pre-litigation on the plaintiff side, salary is $75K, but with commission/settlement bonuses, he makes over $250K annually.

One of the partners mentioned a pathway to shareholder status, but I’m not entirely sure what that entails. What follow-up questions should I ask? Does becoming a shareholder significantly increase pay ?

I Understand what work far different from what I’m used to, a lot more paperwork and what not. More interested if anyone has suggestions, follow-up questions, or if anyone has experience with a similar transition into insurance defense? (Seems like everything I find online, people hated the job.)

Any guidance, tips, or experiences would be greatly appreciated.

1-2000 hours isn’t hard to hit providing that you have enough time to bill between 8-9 hours a day and have enough cases so you’re not desperate for hours/tasks.

2-ID isn’t lucrative for non-partners/shareholders. Insurance Companies set the billable rates and these are very low. Many range between $150-$300. Your salary will be front loaded and your bonuses will likely be modest.

3-Partner/Shareholder status only slightly increases your billable rate. Many partners in ID make less in salary than a baby lawyer at a large firm. The ones that earn substantially more are the ones that can bring in a high volume of cases to feed to other attorneys. Building rapport with adjusters assigned to your cases takes time and isn’t how you get enough business to become partner. Ask about marketing support and ability to attend conferences.

Related Posts

Hi Everyone,
I’m looking for account manager or account manager referrals.
I have 4 years of insurance underwriting experience.
If you know of anyone that I could pass my resume to, Please let me know!!!!

like

Hello all,
Which company between techm cerium systems and synapse design and excelmax technology is good in terms of
1. Good projects
2. Work life balance
3. Onsite opportunities
4. Work from home option

Any insight into Jackson Lewis NYC office? Compensation, billable hours, WLB? I would be a 2-3 year

like

Have an acquaintance who is a single mom; she purchased a used car 3 mos ago. Six wks later her 17yo wrecked it, air bags deployed, and estimates have ranged between $10-$18k in needed repairs while $21k is still owed. Acquaintance was switching insurance policies and flubbed the coverage dates and there were a few days where the vehicle was uninsured. No GAP insurance. I'm not seeing many options for her besides to continue pmts, fixing just enough to drive or voluntary repo. Thoughts?

like

Seeking feedback on GAP insurance. I had a family member who purchased a car in June or July. They were in an accident last week and it sounds like the car will be declared a total loss. Never dealt with this before, so wanted to ask if anyone has ever had an instance where the insurance didn't cover the outstanding balance of the loan and the insured then owed money? Car was $35k, $7k down, finance $28k. Gap insurance is through lender, not auto insurer.

Serious question: I know I am an attorney but this so outside my area. I was rear ended about a year ago and I need to either settle with the insurance company or sue them. Could someone provide some guidance? I really really need some help with this

like

Amerisourcebergen doesn't care about its employees. We have no mental health awareness. Leadership only promotes people who kiss ass the most qho have no managerial experience and pass people who actually have experience in a manager role. Leadership never helps you with anything. Managers write you up for no reason amd threaton your job constantly. Ive have leasherip threaten my job while on FMLA and write me up for taking too much time off

like

I have 2 offers, one from JPMC ( LOB IS Consumer and Community Banking) and the other from Wells Fargo. Both are giving similar roles, and exactly same pay. Location is Hyderabad. I tried for revision of pay but it didn't work.

Could anyone help me understand which one is better to join in terms of hikes, technology used and work life balance. I have to join on Tuesday, 16 Aug.

YoE - 16, Tech stack - Java Microservices
JPMorgan Chase Wells Fargo

like

What is the correct path to obtain entry level positions in clinical research. My background is in health sciences and work experience has been 3 years as a clinical lab scientist. I have not been getting a whole lot of interviews, but the Interviews that I have secured went well but still resulted in being ghosted by the employer. Thx any advise and help is appreciated!

like

What are the working hours (approx) of BCG London? Is it true that WLB is ‘better’ in Northern Europe than Southern? (For example, Spain). And what would you say is/are the countries with the best WLB in MBB?

like

What are some interesting non-tech/insurance/advertising/consulting careers where data science is applied? Thinking of epidemiology and economics

like

For those of you who have left public accounting for industry, are you happier in industry or do you regret the decision at all? How is the WLB/office culture in industry? My apologies if this has already been asked on here before.

like

Hey all. Just had a question for any insurance underwriters who work in the states. I am moving down there at some point and I would like to know.. What is the insurance landscape like compared to canada? Anyone working in new York state? Is there a lot more red tape? What is the pace of work like? If anyone is willing to have a phone call that would be greatly appreciated. I am in environmental.

like

How is wlb in common wealth bank, Is it better to join this company?

Consultant role in Deloitte USI (F&EP Team) Vs KPMG Global Services (IT Advisory- EPM Team)

Deloitte USI: 13L + 4L JB
KPMG KGS: 17L + 1L JB

YoE: 4.5
Tech Stack: EPM

Which one will be the better choice In terms of:
1. Bonus and Increments
2. WLB
3. Type of work (back-end/client-facing)
4. Professional growth
5. Any other relevant factors

Please share your experiences?

I’m a 9th year in a mostly litigation-based practice group at a one-tier partnership firm. My group’s billable hours have been low the last few years, so making partner will be nearly impossible, and a counsel position is not viable long-term in my group. What’s the best option here if partnership is the ultimate goal? Try to get a NEP/counsel position at another firm, which is likely difficult in my market, or offer to take a class cut by a few years?

likehelpful

Looking forward to join brillio in salesforce domain. Wanted to know about work culture, projects, wlb in the company. Any comments whether it's good org to join or not

I am in need of some advice I have a bachelors in healthcare administration. My long term goal would be a CEO of a hospital. I am looking at masters programs and need some advice as what to get my masters in. I could get my masters in healthcare administration but would like to look at something a little different maybe healthcare leadership or something. Anyone have some advice?

like

How does everyone cope with the quilt of leaving a job even though it’s best for you?
My job is understaffed and I feel like I’ll be leaving them down even though my mental health can’t take it anymore.

like

Is someone working for Collabera Inc. (Citibank Client)? I want to know about the wlb & if the company is good to join. HR said I wont be on contract & will be on permanent payroll of Collabera. I am not sure if I should leave my current company where wlb is amazing. Please suggest

like

More Posts

What can be expected CTC for 7 yrs exp level 9 in Accenture for application devloper project role . Current CTC is 13.92

like

Random: is anyone in the same mindset as me that everything has a black or white answer and grey is just created by people that don’t want to make tough decisions? It’s a debate I have going on with my wife and some other outside parties.

like

I have offers from PwC India and EY GDS with same CTC in technology domain. Which one should I choose and why?
The important parameters for me are annual hikes, promotion, work life balance, learning, growth and exit opportunities. Kindly help.

like

Senior engineer making 135k and I was offered a promotion to engineering manager after completing a development plan. Near the end of the plan and I expect compensation talks to start soon. Based on some research around Boston and my role in the company, I feel 165k plus 10-15% bonus is fair. Nonetheless, first time going through something like this and asking for thoughts and comments. Thanks!

like

Are PE investing role WLB and Stress that much worse than MBB?

like

LnT Infotech is hiring Pan India for below roles:

Interested people can drop their email id's and Names with respective Job Id's .

Post Photo
like

Experience hire applied via referral 10 days ago. How much time does it take to hear back after the pymetrics at BCG?

like

How to tackle gap periods in IT interviews?

like

Is annual raise a common practice in tech industry, or only when you get promoted? What’s the % raise should I expect in tech startups?

like

Anyone at A&M in the digital finance group care to share their experience before applying?
I am working in finance transformation at kpmg (formerly accounting advisory) and am very interested

like

Gunderson? More like Going Under, Son

funnylikehelpful

I am looking for remote opportunity in Canada as I am planning to relocate to Canada. I have PR so do not require any work Authorization.

I am currently working as solution architect for Novartis.

like

Hi fishes, how much variable pay usually paid back. 100%?

I have received offer from DXC , can you please provide feedback on this company's working env...

like

DE&I is now a core leadership competency. If you are managing diverse talent, it’s important to understand what the term “privilege” means within a DE&I context so you can lead your team to higher levels of inclusivity+develop optimal strategies for solutioning around team issues/challenges. Everyone has some aspect of privilege depending upon the context. Privilege means the absence of obstacles/barriers, not necessarily the presence of perks. Though some would say *that* itself is a perk.

Post Photo
likesmart

My lease is up in the coming months on my current vehicle. Wanting to upgrade to a Tesla Model 3. Will be able to put down around $10,000 down payment(don’t have enough saved to pay for it all in cash, and need a vehicle). Don’t really want to lease and thinking I want to buy new, but would be interested in hearing about people’s thoughts on buying used? Or other thoughts around the needing a vehicle but not having enough to buy it all in cash?

like

Hi. I have cleared tech round for Deloitte India as a mulesoft Developer. My current CTC is 8 LPA. How much should I fill for expected CTC so they just don't reject me right away?

like

Is the bcg chatbot case harder than the sample that they sent? How much weight does the chatbot hold?

like

McKinsey & Company Would anyone at McKinsey & Company be willing to chat for a referral for an analyst position?

like

Additional Posts in Insurance Litigation

Opinions on Clyde & Co? Bonus points for Miami office. Looking for info on WLB, autonomy with work, level of difficulty billing enough for bonuses, general satisfaction, any interesting or unique selling points, etc. Thanks in advance!

like

Hello, does anybody have an recommendations for hospitality experts in Texas? Defending a hot coffee case.

like

We consolidated two appeals stemming from the same trial court order re msj. The appellants filed separate briefs. Do I to file two App briefs or can I file one?

like

Feelings in general on Reminger and comp?

like

What origination % are insurance defense firms giving to the attorney that brings in the file/client?

like

I am inquiring about a patient account coordinators salary. It seems I am asking way above average salary due to current position and experience I bring as well as education. Can someone give a number for this position and suggestions for negotiating pay to make what I’m worth.

Does claims ever make anyone else want to quit ID law? (Or heck maybe even plaintiffs side??)

like

Riddle me this Batman: Im told that I can bill X amount for X task but no more, or warned that I may not plan and prepare for certain things even though I do (lost time) Exhibit A: Can’t bill to plan and prepare a motion or pleading, plus bill for the drafting of the document. Seems not grounded in reality to me.

like

Curious thoughts: What would you say puts the most pressure on insurance companies to settle cases? Upcoming trial, risk of bad faith exposure, a bad witness, a screw up pre-suit, etc?

like

Covid-19 coverage: what are you seeing? Where are we headed?

like

We just gonna ignore the issues here? Okay, carry on....

Post Photo
funnylike

Hi everyone, interview for entry level Allstate claims position. Should I take it being 3 business days since my final interview and no offer. The interviewer said to give it a week and that she was gna give my info to hiring manager to review, but I thought she was the hiring manager since this was the 2 interview outside internal recruiter interview. i sent a thank you email the day after. But i don’t know i thought it was a good interview. Allstate

like

Can anyone provide some insight into working as an attorney with Zurich North America? Looking to leave an ID firm and have an interview with them. TIA!
(Cross posted in 2 bowls)

I work in insurance. I was working for an Allstate agent and was fired the day after my grandmothers funeral for being “unenthusiastic in our morning meeting”. Now I’m having anxiety searching for a job. I don’t think I want to sell anymore yet every single recruiter I interview with says I should, that I have a “salesperson mentality”. I’m burnt out. Has anyone else felt this way? How did handle it? Is there a different career path I can take or am I destined to sell insurance forever?

like

I just started doing insurance defense 3 months ago. A few of my billing entries have been cut. I feel very bad. Does anybody have any tips for writing better time entries?

like

Does anyone know if an expert is required to prove Plaintiff’s economic damages (loss of earnings) in a personal injury suit in Texas?

like

Can you mess up taking a deposition? I walkways feel like I don’t know what I’m doing when taking a dep.

like

What are all of you second and third year ID attorneys making? 🤔

Salary check. Working at am 100, this is my 10th yr. Salary is $180k. Billing about 1650/yr. Good? Bad? Crazy?

like

Anyone have any suggestions for a horse professional expert? Preferably located in the northeast.

like

New to Fishbowl?

Download the Fishbowl app to
unlock all discussions on Fishbowl.
That was just a preview…
Sign Up to see all discussions
  • Discover what it’s like to work at companies from real professionals
  • Get candid advice from people in your field in a safe space
  • Chat and network with other professionals in your field
Sign up in seconds to unlock all discussions on Fishbowl.

Already a user?
Login here

Share

Embed this post

Copy and paste embed code on your site

Preview

Download the
Fishbowl app

See what’s happening in your industry
from the palm of your hand.

A phone with Fishbowl app

Scan your QR code to download
Fishbowl app on your mobile

Download app

Sign up for free to view this conversation on Fishbowl

By continuing you agree to Terms of Use and Privacy Policy

Already have an account? Log in

Sign up for free to continue using Fishbowl

By continuing you agree to Terms of Use(New) and Privacy Policy(New)
Messaging rates may apply

Already have an account? Log in

For account settings, visit Fishbowl on Desktop Browser or

General

Legal