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Why is onsite so important for us IT people even though we can live a more comfortable life here in India and save equally here too? Not judging anyone since I am also one of those people who feels like a failure because I couldn't make it to onsite in last 7 years while many of my peers have.

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- Healthcare
- Free education
- Ambition to work on really good projects without manager sitting on neck and asking status every 5 minutes
- More money. Average salary in EU now a days is around 60lpa for any role. If you look at software testers life, they don't have much good opportunities in India and often they are on lowest pay while they can thrive here and can have a good life which btw everyone deserves.
- Better security for women in EU than in India. many of my female friends in close circle moved because of that reason.
- Equality!! In other countries nobody gives a fuck about gender. Men and women both work and cook. The average equality ratio is 49% for women which justifies the meaning.
- Nobody bugs you on Saturday or Sunday or even after working hours in EU and other many destinations. I personally worked 16 hours a day in India. That should be the first reason to worry.
- Pay 30% taxes for 1.3 billion people who refuse to do their part on contributions and get virtually nothing for middle class families in India. Here everyone is fucking forced to pay taxes upto 42% but in return they genuinely get free healthcare, free education, unemployment support, better infrastructure, better public transport and very strict rules that actually give a fuck about senetor's child doing something wrong.
- Learning from like minded people.
- Ambition to travel the world. A ticket to netherlands cost as low as 30 euros from most destinations!!
- Hikes here are not based on who can impress managers. Its on how optimally you can work. Sitting on ass and doing nothing gets people fired in other countries. Its not like TCS and cogni where people without skills get by with taking other people's credit.
- A lot of opportunities to work on various projects
- Personally I like the one that when you sign a contract you can't back out. In india people take offers and don't join and why should they join on low salary. That shit is not regulated. So I like this one.
- Companies are not allowed to pay less than a range given for a role.
- No one will restrict you to do work from home if it is doable and that has been before corona.
- No one will reject your leaves and you are eligible to take them whenever you want.
- If employer here has 3 months notice period then they are ready to wait for candidates who have 3 months notice period. And notice period is also regulated. For 1-5 years experienced its 1 month mostly. In India, companies have 3 month notice period but they want candidates who can join in 10 days on low salary. Aaisa kaise chalega didi??
- Notice period depends on responsibilities of role so that's one attractive thing about working outside.
- Nobody cares what the fuck you do in your last job. They are interested in what you will do in next one and whether you can do it. Number of experience in a field is shown a trash can over someone with skills. So for hardworking geniune people this has lately become a golden opportunity that only they can grab and no one can take it from them!!

So that's a minimal list why someone would choose to move to EU/Aus/US.
I meet a lot of Indians here and from their experience as well biggest reason for moving is stealing of credit and not enough growth in their field led them to search for opportunities.

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hi I have a plan to settle in canada .how is IT there ?.the facts you mentioned here also works for canada ?

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I have not managed to go on site as well. Partially because I didn't try hard enough. I live with my parents and I enjoy being with them. I just didn't want to leave them.

There are merits and demerits to everything and you have to trade off so you can benefit most from it.

I'm not married so I can't comment on saas bahu ke problems.

Merits

Less working hours in foreign countries if we ignore eastern countries like Japan, Saudi

Better work life balance

Better commute experience, infrastructure, internet, air quality in cities. India probably have them in some places too but moving within India can be challenging with little to no monetary benefits.

Better pay

International exposure, exploring different culture


Demerits

Can't bring parents

Higher taxes

Costlier rent

Costlier living expenses

Racism

Inability to adopt new culture can bite in future

Less freedom of movement in few countries

If you are not a permanent resident, you can't plan future, get home. Few countries don't give PR either.



Staying in India also have merits and demerits

Merits

You get to live in your home land

You can live with your parents

You have an identity and freedom of movement within country.

You are not subjected to racism if you look like everyone.

You can own house, invest in future

Lesser taxes as long as your income is below 50LPA


Demerits

Poor work life balance and long working hours

Lesser salary

Regional bias (north vs south Indian problem)

If you earn more than 50LPA uou have to pay taxes on taxes

Only do one job at a time as per law

No benefits or unions for employees in IT sector

No law that protects us from big companies that exploit us with insane policies.

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That's why going abroad for short term to earn money and coming back to India is the best option.

By short term as in, at least 6 years. If your salary is more than $120k a year then in 6 years you can easily build a home in any Indian city or clear your loan quickly. Of course assuming you live modestly in the foreign country.

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It is not important for me. Was offered and I denied. Because I am the only son of my parents and love staying with my family. And many of my friends and colleagues work there and I am happy for them also. It doesnt matter to me because I don't compare. Your comparison with others makes you miserable. And going onsite is not a benchmark of success. We must stop fitting into some societal patterns and seek what we really want for a happy life.

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Exactly same for me , was there in Melbourne for one year, though I had opportunities to be there for long time, i decided to comeback. Most of my colleagues now got PR and well settled there.
I have no regrets at all.

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Standard of living, Health care, good work culture are some of things that we don't get here in India.

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Yeah true. It's a personal choice in the end. Maybe someone just wants to earn money that time and it's the only option. In that case, it's a very good opportunity.

Some harsh truth here..
Most of the girls look for outside India guys and don't want to be with family and all other responsibilities that comes with it. I am not generalising but 60-70% of my batch mates girls had this as priority one when getting married .

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Some checkpoints girls are looking for
1 - Boy lives in a city. His family background should be from a village or a town. Even if he is earning good doest matter
2 - Own Flat in city. Family house in other city will not count
3 - A good car
4 - 40L+ minimum salary

Please add more with your experience

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My perspective was experience. I wanted to experience how it felt to live abroad, work, party, drive, and just enjoy life. I think that’s the cream of IT and why people want to get into the it. Money also plays a big role in the whole equation but it varies from person to person. Some may be happy with money or standard of living or friends or travel opportunities. If you are in US, you have the whole American continent within your reach. Same goes for Europe. All these locations are within your reach if you earn in $ or € or £.
On the flip side, you have sacrifice the time you could have spent with family, friends, in occasions and celebrations. There is always a constant worry, especially in covid area.
At the end of day, it’s your call to choose Dal Roti or Pizza.
I lived in US for 7 yrs and moved back to India last yr permanently. At certain point of time, you realize what’s important in your life.

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May be buy roti, daal and pizza , that seems an interesting analogy.

I think Indian IT industries still have a long way to go when it comes to the work culture and ethics. I still remember in my first company I was scared to ask for leaves even when my grandmother was very sick. My TL used to ask me so many questions and sometimes asked employees send the ticket photo Or e-ticket just as a proof that the person really is going to travel. That was my first company I joined there as a fresher they had trapped and sign a 3 year bond with an expense of 1.5 lac if broken. And the manager of the company treated everyone like shit. He was actually owning a plastic factory and that's what he used to think of us IT people too, a plastic worker.

I'm working for an Australian company now, and things are way too different in this company, and now I'm very glad and fortunate to be a part of ny current company.

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U get exploited when you comply with all rules and work honestly, break some rules, if they have bond they cannot do much other than cribbing. I have personally experienced that those who have average perfomance and rebellious but diplomatic nature, they get respected and silent hard workers are often overlooked.

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What u will do of having comfortable life. U have only one life , explore and enjoy. Onsite is just a tool to explore the world.

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It is indeed a tool to explore the world. But what do you mean by having a comfortable life? Are you saying people who are in India have comfortable life and those at onsite do not? Please don't mind but you can clarify?

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Because India is still third world country, we are mostly puppets in hands of europian and american clients. Reservation, Population are two major reasons people tend to settle abroad to secure better future of their next generation
To change this scenario we need to be self sufficient economy like japan, south korea. But our politicians only lure people based on caste.

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I have 2 sisters need to care of family.
Have dream to build house. So by going to on-site we can earn more extra money to survive.

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I am 10.7 YOE still at 11.27. I have no other option other than moving abroad. I need to give myself every opportunity to grow.

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Mostly money . Saving will be more compare to Indian Salary. Although that depends on single or married or having kid. But now a days in india companies are also paying good.
But once in career make sense to have onsite exposure.

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India is no longer India of pre 1990s, we are growing and have lot of opportunities and money here. Those who think going abroad is all they want without gauging pros and cons are stuck in the pre 1990s thinking and ofcourse the elder generation has that thinking because they were in that period

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its only illusion.. India is still not self sufficient.. we still depend upon us and uk clients..
Look at South Korea, Japan.. they got independence around same time but now transitioned into developed nations.. built big brands on own

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It's so important because we don't have a pension like back up plan for our old age. The amount of pressure in IT and daily 9-10 hours of job is very monotonous, unhealthy and not at all good for mental health. With so much pressure, you can do these kind of jobs till your 40s. After that, your body might not permit. So what happens after your age of 60?

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This comment is very sensible. Practically can anyone post a comparison between how much one can save in India vs onsite? It will obviously differ based on location, company etc. but considering averages, how much can we save in 5-6 years?

Independence, lifestyle, freedom, world class education to kids, better healthcare. There are many factors which influence people to move abroad. After all, we have only one life, need to live to the fullest.

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Brother ,if you work in India and have good pkg then you will not that much think of onsite but a person who have less pkg and dream to go onsite ,in hope to save some money and buy some property or home here in India is the primary reason.

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If here in India someone earning 25+ onsite opportunity won’t make big difference: assuming you have your own house here and your spouse is working as well. Financial benefits won’t be much as if your spouse travels on dependent visa etc. and health care is not free there. But still I feel getting to see a new country new culture enriches us a lot and gives us a different perspective of life . On the contrary if someone wishes to settle abroad and wish to offer future generation a US Citizenship then one should not think about short term financial situation at all :)

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For living abroad-
Pros:
1. Savings are more if both spouses work and you plan to invest in India. Make some quick bucks and return to India for a more comfortable lifestyle etc.
2. No family drama, everyone is on a schedule, spouses on partnership to complete all the household chores.
3. Even average schooling is good.
4. Exposure to healthy work habits and understanding different cultures that broadens our experience.
5. Better work life balance.

Cons:
1. Missing parents, extended family and all festivals, family bonding meetups etc.
2. Maids, house help are all terribly expensive.
3. Dependency on visas for immediate travel and other needs.
4. Bullying in schools and children not feeling inclusive in certain places due to racism (some places are not friendly for immigrants).
5. Missing out on our culture and traditions (unless we emphasize).

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If you know you would save equally in India compared to your colleagues in abroad then you shouldn't consider yourself as a failure. Rather you should be proud that you are earning the same as you would have in abroad while staying in your own country. Additionally sheer opportunities to switch and hop jobs in India are much higher than in abroad. So you can always cover and exceed the earnings potential in India than in abroad.

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Invest in markets to build a corpus. You will also be able to buy plots in Bangalore. You can purchase plots that are further away as investment. Sale them when the opportunity is right and buy a new one closer to city. There are always ways to acheive our goals. We just need to be optimistic ;)

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Humans are social animals. We are curious and want to witness what is not exposed to us in the initial years of life. And as Indians, we believe in touch and feel more than anyone else. Hence, even though experienced people tell us that you will always be treated as secondary citizens outside of India, we tend to still want to explore the unexposed.

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I have been to onsite stayed for 2 years post my bachelor's, Now did MBA and staying here

Pros of onsite:
WLB
Better compensation for fresh graduates like 2-5 yoe
Travel opportunity
Explore new terrain

Cons:
Do all your work by yourself
Use publit transport mostly
Miss home badly
No one to take care while ill
Can't come suddenly on emergency and all


Its a mix and match, I would say but ya not a bad exp, but I don't want to go onsite again

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