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Agree with P1. It’s not life changing money for even 100% disability, but it helps provide people with a safety net.
Would you like to be compensated more at your current job? Why did you even ask that last Q?
Pro
I think, oftentimes, the system rewards the wrong people.
Ah the ole bait them into gov program arguments routine.
You deserve what you’re rated and compensated for. If not now, later when those ailments really begin to degrade you.
I, like many of us, did what none of my peers did, and broke my body down. I exposed myself to sights, sounds, traumas and carcinogens. And I still continue to wake up in pain every day with no cartilage in my knees, arthritis in my back, and mental issues I wouldn’t have had otherwise. It’s ok though, because I’ve conquered them and continued to be very successful in my career. Now if only I could stop my doctor from telling me I have the body a 55 year old man at 35, suggesting a damn knee replacement.
Couldn’t agree more. At 42, I’m still active, just as much as I was at 22 and 32. Just not as fast. Still run my 5-7 miles a day, still lift, take my supplements, go to work just fine. Picked up Cigars and craft beers. Either way, my body hurts, my knees are shot, I avoid all trash on the streets, etc. I don’t complain, I do my job, I enjoy life, I served my country and would do it all over again the exact same way. I feel sorry for those that MF their service like it’s the services fault you hated your time. If you are one of those fucks that claims PTSD when you never left, ever, or you claim PTSD cuz you got yelled at, TYFYS, now stay away from me and go hate yourself on your own…
Amen Principal 1. You came spell Principal with out PAL.
When I first got out, I had some resentment towards people I thought were gaming the system. I had just got home from Afghanistan and knew several veterans who never deployed but were bragging about their ratings.
5 years later, my mind has changed for the most part. I’m angry that the Army left me with physical issues to this day that the VA diagnosed me with but refuses to help fix. Every veteran should seek as high of a rating as they can. Who are we to judge what someone else is going through?
Agreed. Every veteran deserves the highest rating possible, to put up with years of being severely underpaid relative to our civilian peers and the lost opportunities because we elected to serve instead. And also the super sh*tty thing that was touted as a “retirement benefit” aka do 20 or get nothing at all.
I wouldn't say its changed my life, but it helped a lot as I was making the leap - I knew my kids wouldn't go hungry.
I'm in that "high-earner" category now, and honestly it wouldn't impact my life much if I lost it - but I'd be salty about it. I live with chronic pain from back, shoulder and knee injuries (airborne), get migraines from TBI, and have had multiple surgeries for benign tumors I keep getting (burn pit or other carcinogen exposure possibly). I try really hard not to be bitter and resentful about it, despite the reduced quality of life. The compensation makes it feel like my suffering is acknowledged.
If there were to do away with the disability payments, even for high earners, I feel like it would be only fair for us to be able to file lawsuits like civilian employees can - so when we die young of burn-pit cancer our families can get something at least.
I agree. If the VA removes the benefits, I’d like the opportunity to sue and receive a settlement, like you would if you got injured in the civilian sector. I’ll take the lump sum and invest it and be done with the VA. The VA can do that now, let people choose a one time lump sum vs payments in perpetuity like any worker comps case.
Any government program is unfortunately going to be abused to a certain extent.
That being said, I make it a point to not be critical of other’s ratings (though I also feel it’s something you should never broadcast); I have no idea what is in their medical record, even if they appear “fine” …
I’ve seen very ugly conversations between vets on social media because someone “was never in combat and doesn’t deserve X rating” … I don’t think that type of dialogue is productive.
I’m not sure I or others would agree with the rating I got for mental issues, but I guess when I KMS in 10 years people in hindsight would say it wasn’t enough.
No, absolutely not
Incredibly abused system. TAPS is nothing more than a class on how to scam the system. The expectation has become that everyone is disabled in some way, you just have to know how to apply for it.
To be clear, I’m 100% in support of taking care of those who are truly suffering due to service to our country. I just don’t think that’s the majority of those receiving disability.
I deployed 5 times to the desert and have a 0 rating. And I thank god I can say that. When I tell other vets that that’s the case, they look at me like I have 2 heads. It’s a broken system.
PwC I don’t think anyone disagrees that there are people who abuse the system. Every government system is abused. That’s the nature of bureaucracy and big government programs. Their creation naturally comes with rules on how to get the rewards and naturally leads to people attempting to maximize the offered rewards.
I look at those that "get too much" as exceptions to the rule. There are STILL agent orange claims that have not been processed. Additionally, the claims process is designed to make you give up from all the hassle. I got out in 2009 and my final claim was processed in 2019, not for a lack of evidence. I'm glad the pay bumps are based on cost of living. I think the payment amounts are fine, however I feel the jump from 90% to 100% should be evened out amongst the other rating percentages.
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Good take. I’d agree with all of that.
Also wish 100% isn’t when all of the additional benefits kicked in; less folks would target it.
Examples:
- Property tax exemption at 70% (I know this is all state dependent)
- Education benefits at 80%
- CHAMP VA at 90%
^ If we staggered things like that, it wouldn’t be so “100 or bust”, I think. Probably would be more cost efficient in the long run, vice paying everyone $4k a month.
I’m 100% P&T + SMC (S) ($4256/month). It certainly helps and has absolutely changed my life. I receive $51k/yr. This pays my mortgage. I used my GI bill, got my PhD, wife uses ch 35 and is getting her BS paid for.
Life isn’t the easiest, I have seizures as a result of a TBI. I was a medic in the Korengal and dealt with a lot of horrible shit. Legs don’t work the best. Of course I’d like to have more of my independence back, sleep better, be able to walk without a cane etc. but tbh in reality, getting hurt was the best thing that ever happened to me.
How likely do we think this will get passed?
Very unlikely.
VA Secretary already said it’s a terrible idea & it would be political suicide for either side of the isle to look at cutting Veteran benefits right now.
It’s only a CBO recommendation, so it’s not even in the stages of getting “passed”.
Disability has changed my life. Some people get far more than they should get but that’s with any program. I don’t think I was rated correctly and I was denied for 20 yrs. I would gladly take more and deserve it. My career and life was dramatically altered due to some insecure jackass who couldn’t handle females in mechanics.
For some, disability means not starving and for others it’s nothing. Either way, if you endured some sort of trauma and are being paid for your time who here has the right to say boo?
I am in severe pain daily, but the VA just wants to try and decrease my disability.
The system has been wildly abused and there is an entire industry set up to help you maximize “disability” payments for things that aren’t truly service connected. Disability is not supposed to be a benefit of serving like the GI Bill and home loan but it’s now being treated like that. I’m not saying it needs to go away, but it needs an overhaul or it’s not sustainable. Everyone wants to cut government spending until it’s time to cut something that could affect you.
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PM1 your point is 100% solid. Major Stockholm vibes from folks trying to save the defense industrial complex more money. The same org who literally injured them in the first place. I don’t really understand it.
My back is like a 65 year olds.. I def need surgery later. I’m glad I’m not going to pay for it but it’s gotten worse over the years. It was one of the factors that led me to getting out earlier
At this point in my life I think I'd be fine to give up my 10% and make it 0% (so I can still buy booze at the exchange lol, CGX is so good). I had a horrible back injury after getting home from Afghanistan but have figured out ways to manage it to the point where it's not an issue for the most part. Granted I'm doing old lady stretching here and there.
By the way home was Camp Pendleton after Afghanistan. It was literally the next day after Uzbekistan or some shit. Was working out and felt a pop in my lower back and a flash of white.
Correct me if I'm wrong but the proposed cuts would just be for high earners, right? Isn't the whole point of disability to compensate you for lost income because of your injury? If you are making $200k are you really disabled from the perspective of lost income?
I think some people view "disability" as an entitlement in exchange for the military f***ing you up. It's fair to feel that way I suppose but then your argument is really to recharacterize the purpose of disability to be more of a medical pension, or something like that.
A2, you’re wrong. 👍
I mean there’s definitely people taking advantage of it. And a few bad apples may ruin the benefit for the rest of the people that deserve what they’re getting
Darn right there’s asshats out there that get 100% PT because they deployed one time or never did and now they have ED. Got a few people I used to call friends that claimed just that. Some weak ass POG job (I was a POG too), that never sent them to the field, never deployed or even did a UDP, used to sleep with every female that could walk or crawl and now you have ED??? Come on.
Not anymore. I’ve seen his benefit letter, it doesn’t say 0% for ED
These cuts were not "proposed", much less passed into law. The VA Secretary even addressed it.
https://www.military.com/daily-news/2023/03/23/va-secretary-swats-down-idea-cut-va-disability-pay-wealthier-vets.html
Wait are you doing the “depends on what your definition of is is”?
As POTUS likes to say, cmon man!
Also have you heard of the Overton Window? Obviously there were people at CBO that thought it would be a good idea to address this COA and push it out to the public. This didn’t get killed before publication.
And sure it’s “only” CBO… but they’re kind of a big deal in DC …
https://www.crfb.org/blogs/short-primer-congressional-budget-office#whyiscboimportant