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I think I agree with what OP was saying, that I still don't understand their need to see your W-2 outside of wanting to lowball your salary. I don't see what value or verification it provides them about my ability to perform the job. The interview process should prove to them I have the skills they need, and we negotiate salary from there. Why do you need to know or verify my previous salary for any other reason than to try and pay me as little as possible? My skills should have a fixed value to you, within a range.
Mass. recently also made it illegal to ask for prior salary. Unless prior Comp played a legitimate role in the salary negotiation (e.g candidate says that they need X salary because they currently make Y), I can't see why a company has legit reason to ask for proof of prior Comp. Your comp should be based on competitiveness relative to market, not relative to prior salary.
IMO
Wow! Usually the use a 3rd party to validate your salary and past experience. I know of instances where people exaggerated their previous salary and the offer was rescinded as a result.
They have a right to know your salary just like they have a right to know whether you graduated or not. And in the case of campus hires they have a right to know your GPA
So basically all the advice to "never give them a number" is bs because they can ask for w2s anyway?
Yes, study after study shows exempting previous salary from the negotiation process helps fix the gender pay gap. It's why it's so low in fed, exists but much lower due to the GS system, you either qualify or you don't. Many fixes have pointed to people need to negotiate more which is victim blaming and doesn't do anything to fix it, pay what the job is worth not what you can get someone for, the current system will continually pay women and POC lower.
Very much legal and ethical in all states. You know what's unethical and illegal? Lying about your salary and, even worse, your resume. I can't begin to tell you how many people I've interviewed who've lied about both and it's very obvious. You know your friend was in the wrong or else why did he deny showing his W2?
You folks do know how to negotiate right? Several places I've spoke with have asked for W2 and I've given it to them. It doesn't keep me from having negotiated my fair market value. If they want you they'll pay. If they don't think you're worth it go to another firm that does (or consider that your PoV on your market value may be skewed).
A4, that argument can go both ways. What if you're currently making 120k and the market average for the position you're interviewing for is 100k? Will you be okay taking a 20k pay cut because that's what the position is really worth? Most big private firms work off a range for any position. Your previous salary helps baseline that, the market average is definitely an input, and so is your expectation. Again, it's at the interviewee or the firm's discretion to make or accept an offer.
Again, he didn't disclose a prior salary so there was never a lie involved. They asked for W-2s to figure out what it was and couched it as a requirement.
Well if a person makes more than the market average then they need to demonstrate why they are worth the extra cost. That should be a part of salary negotiations. But if a firm is attempting to pay less than the market average that's an issue, if I'm not worth what the market is willing to offer then why are you making me a job offer? And what incentive do I have to give you my personal info if you don't think my skills or effort are valuable enough to offer me the market average? I could simply pursue a more competitive offer.
Happened to me at K in DC. I provided since I didn't lie about current salary. I know a few people to pretty much get black listed from companies for lying about salary.
They want the number to anchor you lower. Completely within their rights to demand that info
Again, they don't need it. But they can use it as a criteria to include you in hiring process.
They ask to verify salary after you've already signed an offer and during the background check process. If they asked for it before, your friends story is shady.
@SC1He was very clear it was before he could even get to an offer. He felt as if it would hinder his ability to negotiate for the salary he wanted due to the skillset he provided. (Cyber).
It's not illegal but unethical and keeps pay parity off the table. Obama made it illegal for federal jobs and it was poised to start a movement then the new administration doesn't give a damn.
Isn't that the point of the work number? Pay me what the job is worth, not what u think u can get me at.
Or are you saying the ability to force them to show their W-2 perpetuates the wage gap?
http://www.nytimes.com/roomfordebate/2016/08/15/how-to-reduce-the-pay-gap-between-men-and-women/salary-negotiations-often-preclude-women-from-equal-pay?referer=https://www.google.com/&nytmobile=0
They're within their rights to ask, but you're within you're rights to refuse to work for them. I know what I'd do, and it doesn't involve screwing myself into a lower pay scale than I deserve.
A4, you can demand for a competitive salary without lying about your previous salary. If you're not happy with the offer they make you, let them know. No one is forcing you to take an underpaying job.