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I think I agree with what OP was saying, that I still don't understand their need to see your W-2 outside of wanting to lowball your salary. I don't see what value or verification it provides them about my ability to perform the job. The interview process should prove to them I have the skills they need, and we negotiate salary from there. Why do you need to know or verify my previous salary for any other reason than to try and pay me as little as possible? My skills should have a fixed value to you, within a range.
Mass. recently also made it illegal to ask for prior salary. Unless prior Comp played a legitimate role in the salary negotiation (e.g candidate says that they need X salary because they currently make Y), I can't see why a company has legit reason to ask for proof of prior Comp. Your comp should be based on competitiveness relative to market, not relative to prior salary.
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It is legal except in a few states, it's a common practice among the big 4s, and I don't think unethical is the right word but it is a shitty practice. They're just attempting to lowball you on salary
Part of my issue is He didn't declare his salary at all. Why do they need to verify or even know my prior salary? You offer. I negotiate. We both can take it or leave.
It should be illegal
When asked for your salary during interview process, simply say, I am more than happy to provide salary verification if an offer is placed, however for the time being I don't feel comfortable providing that information. Keeps you from being low balled and meets their needs after offer is made. But could rub interviewers the wrong way...
They are not entitled to that information. Similarly, you are not entitled to be considered for an offer if you can't even provide proof of salary.
I think it is quite ethical. Big 4 are audit firms and they need to do shit load of stuff to be in compliance. Validating your claims is the least they can do. Besides why would you claim right of privacy from an employer when it comes to W2 of a previous employer?
You can ASK whatever you want. At what point does it become your right to know how much I make? What makes you entitled to that information? Legally?
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Pretty sure it is legal, just not a great business practice in my eyes. Think they are making it illegal in Massachusetts
Yes, if you are an underpaid woman (which most are), if your next salary is based off of your previous salary as opposed to what you're actually worth, it will perpetually lock you into being unpaid aka the wage gap.
Nobody is addressing the original question. Why does a firm NEED or obligated to know that information? Is there a legal precedent for that?
Why would it not be just used to lowball or otherwise discriminate based on salary? Why can't we come to a fair salary without you having to know what I was paid before?
Knowing whether I graduated or not is a requirement for which someone obviously told them they have otherwise they wouldn't reach the offer stage. They are not ENTITLED to check your salary if you didn't disclose it in the application.
So they wouldn't even provide an offer before they got his w2? I know p-dubs asked for my w2 after they gave me an offer. They did tell me that lying about my total comp was grounds for voiding my offer.
The gray area i played with was discussing my expected raise and bonus for that year. I was easily able to inflate my expected salary for the coming year by 25-35k.....and none of that stuff was verifiable.
It is only illegal in Massachusetts and perpetuates the gender wage gap, big time
I would refuse. If you want my talent and my efforts then you need to pay me. And I want competitive compensation. If you are going to disrespect me and demand my personal information so that you can cheat me out of money then I don't want to work for you.
Clearly D4 didn't read the thread.
If the President doesn't have to release tax returns, then neither do you...
No one should lie about salary, but P2 you are delusional if you think that it is ethical for companies to demand personal info so that they can lowball people. It doesn't matter what a person currently makes, the only thing that matters is what the market rate is for the position that you are hiring them for. If the market rate is 100k then I want 100k, it doesn't matter if I'm currently at 50k or 99k.