Can someone explain to me why we aren’t just moving to a school system where 1 teacher can zoom class to 200-300 students like a college lecture hall? Why are we bothering with stuffing kids into classrooms

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Yes, we’re all frost bitten

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Because kids need real human connection. Its difficult to stay interested in a 200 person lecture hall. Now imagine how that would go with 5th graders....

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Yes also interested to hear more on what country you’re from OP and what brings you to this line of thinking. Absolutely staggering you believe this churn and burn approach is appropriate for kids at these critical stages of social and intellectual development. I hesitate to ask if you’re a parent yourself to even suggest this.

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This post is the prime example of the downside of many data scientist - let’s only look at stats and capability and not what actually needs to be done. Is this a joke? This is like saying…someone can win a war just for having more soldiers not the fact it has advanced equipment, funding, weapons etc,

For one, the parents of these kids, who are paying, DO NOT want the kids home all day while they have 10 different Zoom calls to go to, just talk to parent wifh kids home after school closed during COVID.

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This is why focusing so hard on improving STEM education is misguided. When you don’t consider the human factors involved, you miss half the picture of almost any topic.

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OP are you from India?

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I think education is the next opportunity for major digital disruption. If you can find a solution for building soft skills and human connection in a digital environment, you could build the next billion/trillion dollar company. I’ve brainstormed it many times but run into the same risks/roadblocks. Not to mention the battle against the free public schools, private schools and ahem, college universities

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Data Scientist is one of the most entertaining 🐠

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I sincerely hope OP is never in a position of power with this “critical thinking”

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I far prefer the current system of learning math from an assistant football coach and engineering from professors who can’t cobble together coherent thoughts. You truly can’t learn anything unless you’re hungover in a small collaborative college classroom at 8am.

People who spent generations passively watching a few channels of TV hours a day then complain that screens are frying kids brains (when 95% of corporate jobs is to stare at a screen).

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Because children may need extra help and one teacher can’t do extra help or answer all questions for 200-300 students. College kids usually know how to do a lot of self study and know their best way to take notes or pay attention…

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Data scientist you again?

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I like it! Have a teacher reach 200-300 kids. The bottom quartile gets sent to a factory to make clothing, keep those kiddos motivated.

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You jest, but you’re essentially describing The Jungle by Upton Sinclair

I’m speechless. You obviously don’t have kids.

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Are we actually taking this post serious and responding to this joke of a person??

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You have no concept about being a parent. That is an abhorrent position. Kids don’t learn on “zoom”

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You must be american 😆

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I assume you don’t have small kids. There is no way that virtual or large scale lectures would work with small kids they need the social interaction, the individual attention and the ability to be with their peers. This is why home school kids are typically weird.

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Education professor here exploring transition to consulting. This might sound preposterous but is a really great question. Four thoughts:

1. We've tried this before in a sense. Lancastrian monitor schools were designed to teach ~500-600 kids according to a tiered instruction system in a large warehouse. Early national period. The idea was about efficiency and instruction according to common standards. It was popular at the time, but as many folks have noted, questions about social-emotional learning as well as the move to education as a political/public enterprise doomed the system.

2. The 2-sigma problem. Education folks have been trying to solve this for decades. Basically a lot of research shows that 1-1 tutoring gives kids a 2 standard deviation advantage over a classroom setting. The challenge is how do we get academic gains close to this level within a traditional classroom. A Zoom class would throw kids farther down this scale, at least if we take the research as relevant to this arrangement.

3. As Deloitte 5 mentioned, mass education is simply not about learning. It's a custodial institution. We need to put kids somewhere during the working day. This is one reason why high school enrollment exploded during the Great Depression. We needed to take teens out of the labor market and keep them off the streets.

4. Agreed that higher and even secondary edu is ripe for disruption. I'm witnessing this in my own experience as I try to upskill to exit academia and enter industry. Techne - or skill-based - learning is in many ways much easier with a stand-alone module. The biggest challenge will be to scale direct, individual feedback. AI may be an answer to a certain point, but perhaps gig labor is going to be the ultimate solution at higher cognitive complexity. Would anyone in the bowl spend 5 hours a week giving feedback to people taking a Udemy course, for example?

Great question.

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Because teacher’s unions.

We will all be eagerly awaiting I’m sure

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OP, I guess I envision a future where students still go to a school and learn via a combo of teacher instruction and AI/ gamification/ adaptive learning, where in-person (or even virtual instructors for capacity over flow) parachute in to help with a very specific shortcoming.

I don't know if it is 25:1 or 300:1, but there has to be a way to increase teacher comp, student/ parent satisfaction, and outcomes.

Allow me to now deduct the new daily house cleaner from my taxes

Lol did your kid get ahold of your phone and post this?

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