Could we throw some names of “lifestyle firms”/ firms where you can have a life apart from work?

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Imaginary as far as I can tell. Don’t fall into this trap and work all the time for less pay.

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A3, that’s not always the case. The base comp for associates above a certain level is mystery and below top of the market at lots of biglaw firms due to being black box. Think Jones Day, Greenberg Traurig etc.

McDonald’s, Petco

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I have worked at firms across the spectrum—including two of the largest 20 firms. There is a difference. Ask what % of attorneys work reduced hours, ask when the last time an associate who worked a reduced schedule was promoted, ask what the average associate in your practice group billed last year. Ask how a junior associate addresses needing a weekend off to be in her sister’s wedding. Ask what the associate attrition rates are. Ask if partners have spouses and/or children invited to the big partner retreats. You will see the differences emerge. Everyone works hard, but do policies support a bit of balance?

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Best bet is to focus on practice, not firm, aside from a few firm outliers on the high end to avoid. Regulatory, appellate, tax, other true specialties like that will generally be better for lifestyle than most litigation or corporate.

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I agree with Counsel 1. Remember private practice is a business. Business stick around by being better than their competitors. If your competitors turn documents faster than you do, all else being equal, clients will want to work with your competitors. I’ll let you conclude what that means for your life or lack thereof.

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It's more of a spectrum and I haven't come across a true lifestyle firm for transactional practice. But there's a material difference between say Wachtell or Kirkland and say Perkins Coie or Morrison Foerster in terms of expected billable hours. Though I will note that partner draws suffer accordingly...though then again, if you're even asking the question, then you're not making partner at one of the former...

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No national firm. Look to boutiques. That said, while firms may have reputations it ultimately depends on the office and the partners in it. I've worked in a southern "collegial" firm's satellite office in LA that was a stressful hellhole

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Boutiques can be way worse IMHO - you just have to do your diligence. In a boutique there’s no one else to do the work unlike a biglaw firm

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Wow this is so depressing!!!

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Also don’t think this exists, but there are definitely firms where the overall culture makes the work more bearable. If focus on where you find that, at least the hours will suck less

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Mintz's expectation is higher than 1800, but in the years I was there, depending on practice group, wide swaths of associates didn't make hours.

In corporate, you worked hard but it was not a sweatshop and partners were humane (low to no false deadlines).

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Zero. No such thing. Client focused industry. Available around the clock, weekends and holidays.

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