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Fascinating how fragile the white, male, ego seems to be on this post.
"Your type" makes me cringe
Thanks for this post OP. You are correct that there is a conscious effort at leading consultancies, including mine, to balance the diversity of our workforce by creating an image and environment that is welcoming and inclusive for women and underrepresented minority people (yes that’s an actual term). The reason is simple, the stats show that our demographics don’t represent our clients’ mix nor our desired mix. That means that we have not been attracting the best talent in all cases, which is our objective. Stats also show that the capability and intelligence level in the female, Black, Asian, Hispanic (and other) populations is at least as high as with white males. It is equally important to build diversity of attitude, culture and worldview in order to create the best team. I had the good fortune to be selected as the Exec sponsor for one of the D&I teams in our firm. I’m one of those white males born in the sixties who dominate our ranks. It has been educational for me to learn about the current stats in diversity and to better understand why an inclusive culture creates a better company. This is NOT a “white man bad” reaction as one poster mentioned. I’m beginning to realize that it’s a “we can be better” movement and that diversity and inclusion matters.
Great point. I would agree that companies should pursue more attracting the right talent from underrepresented minorities but not deter the majority or specific demographics. Unfortunately another issue is that having an overpresentation of specific minorities in a group can create an unconscious bias towards hiring people of that specific demographic. This is very obvious in IT in the US. Another issue is that some companies are trying too aggressive to gain a balanced ratio of minorities women in 5+ years plans that would be almost impossible without having a strong bias towards hiring/promoting people of color or women. There is nothing wrong with this as long as it doesnt discriminate agaisnt another group. Imagine how silly it would be if all hair salon's or doctors offices were forced to have a better representation of men. Just let the National demographics follow their nature and not enforce companions to meen the "equality" criteria.
as a female poc in tech ... no lol
Lol right? Same here.
What are you rambling about? I’m the minority on every project, White male. It’s 90% Indian, with the occasional white PM, or Asian developer and me. Rarely women. It’s not Indians at only the bottom. They largely make up management too. Same at Accenture that’s where I came from.
I wouldn’t trust the quality of their work...
No.
Seriously? You’re so accustomed to seeing white male faces that now that you’re noticing less of it you start complaining?
You’re good. This was posted at OP. I would’ve replied to you directly otherwise
Not really
OP you struck a sensitive chord with some people 🙄 Don’t forget that it’s “white man bad” now.
I’m the minority on every single project I’ve ever been on at pwc as a white male. Out of my close group of ~15 friends that I was onboarded with a few years ago, most all very high performers, the only ones promoted this year were girls - no males. Small sample size, but indicative of the vibes I’ve gotten from the firm in past years.
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Ummmm, I have been a cyber consultant for more than 20 years, and other than me, there has never been more than one or two more black or latinx persons on a project (on either side of the table). I would find it hard to believe that all of the "best" people are white males, so if there is an effort to promote other demographics, that's a good thing. I think you need to stop looking at pictures, and start looking around the room.
If anything, everyone is male. People just see one woman or one BIPOC in their life and start on the “UGHHHH diversity pander” train
OP’s question should’ve been phrased a little more differently, which actually could’ve turned out to be an interesting topic to discuss. But the short answer is no. Sure it’s unreasonable to expect an even ratio of gender/race in hires/promos, but we exist in an industry that’s predominantly male, which is daunting. It would be in a company’s best interest to promote women and minorities so that we inspire newer generations to go into tech/STEM and not lose out on talent that might’ve been deterred if they had seen a hiring brochure of exclusively ‘white male’ faces. Long answer is yes, companies should hire the best people no matter their race/gender, and the image of a diversified company in the market is direct reflection of that.
Sounds like a personal anecdote.. I can assure you that’s not the case in general. Also the number of POC that is not Asian/Indian is much lower
No.
In reality, these images are not indicative of the actual makeup of the individuals in tech. I’ve been with Accenture for 3 years now. I’m a woman and POC in tech/security. Out of all my projects I’ve encountered 2 other women in total! Most teams are simply comprised of men. Both white and Indian/Asian. That’s a fact.
I don’t see any harm with them trying to encourage other diverse people to join tech. At the end of the day, diversity allows more creative solutions and hopefully the ability to look at issues holistically from multiple perspectives. Which would be beneficial to most organizations.
Yeah color shouldn’t be a consideration, I agree, but it doesn’t bother me that companies throw women / minorities in their marketing material. I think forcing equal ratios and stuff like that is probably inefficient, but one could argue that a greater level of ethnic / gender diversity leads to more creative / collaborative solutions. But again, it really doesn’t bother me that there aren’t as many white guys on promotional flyers.
Lol I wish that was true 😃😃😃
*too
A) how do you know they aren’t the “best” person for the job?
B) No - white male’s time is UP. How do you think they got these higher titles over time? You think it was purely because they were the “the best” HA. So I think it is PERFECTLY acceptable to find more women or people of color in power even if they were super close to the “best” and possibly even a white male was a tiny bit “better” choice in order to even the scales. No, it’s not okay to promote someone in any case that aren’t worthy but I would bet that it was a close call and I highly encourage promotional power people to make the decision to not keep tipping the scales so that we can have more diverse voices all around the world.
Set the white man free!
I wish I was working where u r! lol!
I am a female and a damn good resource who hasn’t been promoted as quickly as other peers because there r ppl in line with multiple yrs of exp..I have bluntly been told u deserve a promotion but we can’t give it to u ..I dont get tht logic but that’s probably for another thread..
Britain most different than the us.
Until there is no longer a disparity in gender, race, age, sexuality, etc, it is so important to promote the minority groups and show that the organization truly stands with diversity and inclusion. And before that happens, resolution needs to start from the very root, ensuring that there was a fair opportunity for an education and upbringing. Some kids were raised in a more privileged home, while the kids in need have to “work harder”. Until minority groups don’t need to “work harder” for equal opportunities, you can go...