Had 3 rounds of interviews for a position at a place where leadership is all white. They said they loved me (a WOC) but decided to go with someone else who has more experience in the category.

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Based on your description, it could’ve boiled down to experience. But that’s the real issue, isn’t it? Veiled in euphemisms, the status quo crawls along its narrow (minded) path toward the polluted shoreline of its sea of sameness

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Thanks ACD 1, but my bigger point is this: agencies need to quit acting like they want more diversity, when fully qualified “diverse” candidates are in fact available. If I didn’t have enough experience, then why bring me in for 3 rounds?

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Ok, but nothing in your post tells me you have any verifiable reason to believe that the reason they gave you is untrue, that they aren’t hiring you because of your race, etc. It seems sort of self-pitying to insinuate those things or suggest that you should have gotten the job when the best reasons you seem to offer are your own belief that you deserve it and your feeling that they should hire you if they want to be more diverse. What am I missing here? [I wish I didn’t have to add this, but yes, I too am a POC].

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(Though I have almost 12 years agency experience).

Imma bet it’s a white dude 😕

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I don’t believe in taking people through that many rounds of interviews if I’m not pretty sure they are the candidate that I want to hire. I find that rude.

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Senior Strategist, perhaps you’re right. But after so many years of seeing only white/male creative directors and never being able to make that leap myself, can you blame me for thinking this way?

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Ugh

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I’m a poc but...

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12 years is great if the experience relates to what they need. You could have 12 years experience in print, but not digital. 12 years experience doing the day to day, but not pitching and developing the brand. Experience is not just years, but also category and brand relationship.

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The tough-love answer from me is both yes and no. The imbalances we see are unignorable and as POC they creep in and make us question our abilities to assess whether we deserve more respect and acclaim than we get. Should we feel as aggrieved as we do in any given circumstance? It’s hard to say and, in the absence of anything concrete, becomes a matter of choice, to me.

Please believe that I feel for you - it’s pretty much impossible to disentangle whether people are passing you over based on a preference for someone who looks a certain way and makes them feel comfortable because of it. And, even if they’re not, I empathize with anyone [e.g. everyone] struggling to get to a higher level of recognition and creative freedom.

My take tends to be that if I want people to be fair-minded with me I have to try to be as fair-minded and introsective as I can be about these things. So I try, in the absence of evidence, to assume I’m being treated fairly and learn what I can from moments of rejection.

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I 2nd the "Ugh" #BeenThere.

What's new these days?

Literally just experienced this exact same thing

Same here. 4 interviews, aced a test, aced an account audit. Told the other candidate had experience better aligned for the position.

The reality is that discrimination usually manifests in ambiguous ways, when there are other plausible reasons for an outcome. And usually there are other “plausible” reasons — more of this, less of that, better fit, different direction, whatever. In close cases, people go with feelings. As a matter of fact, hobbies and relationships have more influence on decisions than objective criteria. That’s why it is entirely reasonable to wonder...

Let’s not forget the hiring catchphrase of the day: “culture fit.” Which is even more disparaging and frustrating when you are a POC.

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