Has everyone heard of The Peter Principle? It's when a company sees someone good at their job and keeps promoting them but eventually, that person gets promoted beyond their skills or ability to lead... anyway, my company loves to do this and now we have two mostly competent leaders and five who should have never made it this high.

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Wow that’s a style I haven’t heard in awhile. Promoting employees into incompetence. If an organization doesn’t invest in their people by providing more comprehensive training and development programs, using more rigorous assessment methods for promotions m, then they are doing themselves and their employees a disservice. Companies should be designing alternative career paths that allow individuals to advance based on skills other than those used to judge current job performance. I am lucky to work for a company that does these things.

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Well said 👏

Is that really a thing? These people were probably promoted for the wrong reasons the previous times

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People are promoted up and out all the time because the current manager isn’t strong enough to deal with the situation and fire the person.

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Yes. People rise to the level of their incompetence. It’s a real thing.

Great workers aren’t always great managers, and great managers aren’t always great executives. Different skill sets and interest levels. But people are unlikely to take a demotion to get back to what you’re good at because comp plans are non sensical.

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Yikes….

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Why do they call it The Peter Principle?

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It was written by Laurence Peter in 1969.
I see it all over every workplace today.

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Yes, often, companies promote for wrong reasons and most often, promote for the right reasons. The bigger issue is not that the companies necessarily promote some in to incompetence, it’s more often that the employee doesn’t continue to assert/grow themselves. S/he can become complacent for a number of reasons.

It’s not the companies’ requirement to be the primary source of growth to its people - it’s the persons responsibility to stay relevant, competent, and competitive.

What are You/We bringing to the table each and every day to remain the best we can be for ourselves and deliver value for the company and our careers? If employees sit about waiting for companies/other to do for them, they will not remain in the candidate pool (designed out of the plan). This is not a good outcome for the person, but also negatively impacts the teams around them.

Too many employees expect too much from others… got to be able to live up and excel.

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I know a couple of coworkers like that at my store it really hurts all aspects of the culture, customer experience and the business

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