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If you ruined your chances, so be it. That just means something better is on the horizon. If they won't share comp, in my experience, then it probably isn't even worth your time or energy.
You didn't do anything wrong by asking. Some recruiters and hiring managers simply choose to be offended over candidates asking for clarity on the only reason they work in the first place. We aren't looking for jobs as a hobby, we are looking for jobs in exchange for money, and we should be able to know without issue what kind of money we are looking at.
Exactly this, I was encouraged to go for an interview with a company who didn't give their salary/benefits package details, got a second interview, the manager I would have been working for was excited to have me come onboard. Then their HR said they couldn't match my salary and benefits expectations and gave the role to someone else. That person lasted 3 months before their old company ",bought," them back. Then HR had the cheek to contact me and told me they'd match what I wanted.. told them no, if I wasn't right and worth it the first time around I didn't want to join them.
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I think that's the best time, need to make sure everyone is on the same page before going through all the interviews.
Well, it can be difficult to say what someone's pay will be prior to understanding what their experience actually is. I work in a field where pay isn't posted because there are too many variables to possibly know before an in depth interview.
Sorry, but we shouldn’t be made to feel guilty wanting to know what our salary will be when applying for jobs. It’s not volunteer work, we’re working to pay our bills, not out of the kindness of our hearts. I bet you that same recruiter wanted to know what their pay was going to be before they took that job. Smh
I honestly feel that employers should be required to post the salary. Why should they be allowed to hide it until we go through the interview and waste each other's valuable time? It should be a law that they are required to post salaries makes no sense to not be forthcoming about it.
I have had conversations with various recruiters over the last couple years, and most of them brought up salary in the initial conversation. And I told them the salary range I was looking for the position, and they seem to be fine with it.
You might have dodged a bullet. If they offered you the job, they might have offered you something below what your were expected, or below market value for the role
Seems weird they got upset. All my screenings always ask what expected comp is
Well part 2 is they say yes that’s in the range or no that’s above our range and they reveal their range. But yeah
Recruiters make money by taking a portion of your salary and of course you're going to ask about compensation at some point, so why should the recruiter sound irritated or upset. F Em
Only 3rd party recruiters. If the poster was on an actual screening call with the company's recruitment team then they do not get a 'cut'. Also agency / third party recruiters charge the company a fee BASED ON a percentage of the candidates salary, so this comes from the company, it's not taken off the candidates salary. Important difference, and it's therefore in the recruiters best interest to get you the highest salary they can, as it increases their fee.
I am a Recruiter and absolutely bring this up in a phone screen. I don't want to waste anyone's time. I wish we would post it in the job posting... Drives me nuts!
Happy hunting!
If you ask them what budget they’re working with for compensation and they get annoyed that’s a red flag for the whole situation. Because the recruiter is probably trying to get you into the process and hope you’ll settle for being under sold. OR the recruiter is in hot water for not producing enough candidates and wants you to get into the pipeline and meet with people so he / she “did their job.”
I like how you phrased that: what budget you're working with for compensation. That's an intelligent & classy way of asking. I often get tongue tied when asking.
Not a very good recruiter if they're showing any emotions that you can read. You have every right to ask, and know the comps.
I always stop head hunters withing 5 words, I say you called me. I don't want to waste your time or you mine.
1. What is the pay band?
2. What is the on call schedule (any compensation for on-call?)
3. What is the time off (pto etc)
4. What is the 401k match?
I'm surprised by how many of them can't answer basic questions.
Go threw the interview, ask questions about the job, uniforms, PTO's pay frequency and then you ask about compensation but this should be at the end of the interview, you have to set it up with your questions. Good luck, I'm on the same boat.
He’s got a point, going through the interview, if a range for the industry is known, you both wanna get to know each other, present your skills for the job as a way to say whether you should be in the high middle or low end of the EXPECTED range. If they offer something that’s low and outside of the range tell them you know that the range for that type of work is different.
Having gone through lengthy initial phone screens only to find out the salary is exponentially below my expectations, I now ask at the beginning of the interview. I always phrase it as: " and an effort to make sure we are both aligned and not to waste your time or my time, what is the salary range for this role?"
I have saved myself a lot of time with this approach.
There's nothing wrong with bring up compensation on a screening call. I always bring it up as the last item if the recruiter doesn't.
Having said that, how you bring it up matters and the fact you characterize it as wanting a "fair wage" makes me question whether you brought it up correctly.
What were the exact words you used?
You did nothing wrong. The company, the recruiter, and the employee all like money. None of those entities works for free. The company wants a bargain because it wants to keep money in its pocket. The recruiter works their ass off because they want money. The employee works to make money.
So, what's all this BS about recruiters being offended by someone telling the truth? That recruiter (and company) are idiots.
The elephant in the living room is m.o.n.e.y. We all want money, but we're not supposed to talk about it.
The company investors don't mind talking about money and firing a CEO who's not giving it to them.
Bottom line: Tell HR, recruiters, and companies to kiss your sweet behind if they want to pretend that money is not important.
🚩🚩🚩🚩🚩 - just saying!
Recruiters should never judge a candidate for asking about a role’s expected salary. Employers ought to share the pay range up front as compensation is often a dealbreaker, and finding a large discrepancy only at the offer stage wastes everyone’s time. You handled the situation correctly; the recruiter may have been having an off day. This reflects on them, not you. Move on and don't look back.
In my opinion, this should be data for you to determine what their culture is like. You are interviewing them as well. Don't forget that
I find it extremely annoying when they keep the remuneration a secret until offer time. Especially if they’re checking references. If the convo was just you and the recruiter, I would not worry. If they showed their annoyance in front of their client, that’s so unprofessional. Either way, you did nothing wrong.
Don’t waste anyone’s time. Ask pay rate immediately and how many days onsite.
I agree with you,know what's next for you