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I mean ... think about it from her perspective. She lands a job working with a great company, is excited to start ... and then life happens. People don't plan things like that to be malicious. Ask yourself, "Are the men getting dinged for things like this?" If the answer is no, then that's probably a sexist reaction. And yeah, you can have a sexist reaction, even if you're a woman.
Alternative is being pregnant and seeing your desk job come up. Are you not gonna apply just cause you'll be on leave temporarily? Who knows when that job will come around again, if ever? Or what if you got laid off/downsized/whatever while pregnant. You still gotta pay the bills. There's a lot of reasons why somebody might be in this position. Regardless, it's your responsibility to allow and her right to have mat leave, so suck it up. A safe pregnancy and birth and a healthy baby and mother are more important than some ads.
Yes; you should be more sensitive.
Sometimes amazing women have their lives changed without warning like that. And you, as a progressive VP, need to support not berrate them for it.
yeah, but would you have hired her if you knew that she was pregnant?
If you never would've hired someone because they were pregnant, that would be discrimination. ✌
She was already 5 months pregnant, could you not see that?
Acd 1. Sorry, but if she admits after 1 week that she will be on maternity leave in 4 months life didn't happen. It already happened
It happens sometimes, and timing often isn't ideal for all sides (she's probably not overjoyed by the timing either). It's tough, yes, but look at it another way: you have a (presumably) solid hire in the vacant role for another four months who would be getting up to speed for that role regardless of pregnancy situation, and you have a four-month runway to hire another person to cover the mat leave period. If all goes well and the business grows over the next while you come out it with two good people on your team.
Of course, this assumes you live in a country with more than the 4 minutes of maternity leave that the US allows. In that case, think creatively: are there people who might want to get some experience on your team who might appreciate an internal transfer for a few weeks? Contract support?
Bottom line: you have options. I'd rather have a high-performing team member who goes away on mat leave than have to settle for my second-choice hire for the long-term.
If the timing was so bad her husband should've just gotten pregnant instead, obviously. 🙄
So then, pregnant women need not apply in your opinion?
Pregnancy can be inconvenient. We should all shoulder that burden. Not just the mothers.
Yeah, you don't want to disclose your family plans to an interviewer. It's none of their business, like literally none, and you likely won't get the job because if it. Women of a particular age are already discriminated against because people assume they'll have kids anyway, and that's part of the reason why you see a drop off in working women post 30/35: they're not hired as much to start and end up staying at home when kids do come along because having kids is assumed, self fulfilling prophecy.
All the people saying "couldn't you tell? Why'd you hire her then?" Are part of the problem. Women have no choice but to be the childbearers if they want kids, and it is a temporary medical condition. Discriminating against pregnant people hurts everybody and perpetuates discrimination, sexism and the patriarchy as a whole.
do you not think it's the way work works that's the issue? having kids is an integral part of life yet we insist on staying with work systems that don't support it...
She did OP a bamboozle!
@Rosetta then she would have run the risk of not being hired even though she is clearly qualified and would have been their pick otherwise
I've hired someone that was five months pregnant without realizing it. My team accepted an internal transfer that was seven months pregnant without anyone realizing it. It isn't always obvious.
At least it was four months, try the same week they were hired...
@ACD calm down. I am hardly berating anyone. I'm a mother myself. I'm allowed to vent.
Literally tonight's episode of Blackish
As a (childless and far from it) woman with older female friends, it's exhausting to realize just how much even CONSIDERING to be pregnant in the next 3-5 years can weigh on your decisions. You're basically given a date, and if you're not sure you'll be ready pop one out by then, you better start that egg freezing / IVF savings account. Things like searching for a job with good maternity policies and health insurance, when you should find that job to avoid comments like OP's... I have a friend sticking it out in a shitty job situation because she's trying to get pregnant at some point in the next year.5 and the maternity policy is good there.