I work in a very small, 3 atty plaintiff firm. I am the only associate and I am underpaid but have developed a friendship with everyone in the office and love my clients. I’ve been here a couple years and I recently reached out to my bosses asking to schedule a time to discuss my pay. They blew me off. My bosses don’t know yet that have another job offer that pays considerably better but it doesn’t have the best reputation for how they treat associates. Do I stay/go/try to use offer as leverage?

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Just leave, it’s not worth your time if they blew off your meeting, it seems like the culture there is not a great fit for you

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I think you have to look out for you. The fact that they blew you off to talk about pay isn’t a good sign imo. I’m in the exact same boat except defense firm (two partners and I am only associate) also underpaid, but I’ve gotten very close to the partners personally and even consider them friends. I am still leaving to go to another job that pays more though which they understand and I’ve been able to openly discuss with them. If it’s a small firm maybe they can’t afford to pay you more and don’t want to come out and say it? That’s how I felt when I talked about going to a bigger firm. To me it seemed like either they didn’t really want to pay me more or couldn’t afford to bc of the size of the firm. Either way, I think again you have to look out for your own career and financial growth as good of friends as you may be with them.

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Screw them. Good attorneys come at a premium. If you’re good then go get paid for it.

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Leave. But maybe find somewhere that doesn’t have toxic culture?

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Speaking from experience at a small firm, leave. They either can’t afford to pay you more or don’t want to. Doesn’t matter — they can’t afford you.

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Well ... its a plaintiff firm...youll never make big money unless you want to work for a mill firm or figure out how to get clients. So pick your poison. Ive been through both. And at big firms, you still only make a little more to be slaved. Id rather make a tiny less to market/try to bring in business because thats where the actual pay is. This is all assuming your % for bringing work in is 33.33% or at least like 25%

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Go! You deserve more

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That’s a tough one. Normally I’d recommend just jumping ship for the salary increase. But I also spent time at a toxic firm during my associate years, and in hindsight, I wish I’d never taken that position (or resigned much sooner than I did).

As for using the offer as leverage for more pay, be aware there’s some risk involved with that. Even if the partners give you a raise to keep you from leaving them shorthanded, from that point forward, you might be seen as having one foot out the door. That could lead to you being laid off if business slows down, or even replaced if they can find someone else who will do the work for less.

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If they are truly your “friend,” then they will react positively to you advocating for yourself and your career. If they keep blowing you off, then the decision should be easy…

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Depends on how “underpaid” you are and how bad the other firm’s rep is. Sometimes it’s best to leave good enough alone. Maybe you’ll make more money but if you have no work life balance you’ll be overall less happy. It’s not good your partners blew off your meeting but you said you love your workplace, relationships and clients. That also should factor in.

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I’m a few days late on this one, but it just popped up in my feed and I wanted to offer another perspective that it doesn’t look like has been offered yet. I’m a partner in a 2 attorney shop and I had a staff member (paralegal) come to me and ask for a raise. Between regular work, court, and the financial discussions between partners, it took us 3ish months to get a raise decided on to offer her. She didn’t know we were working on it in the background all that time and might have felt that we blew it off. I found out later that she had an offer from another firm at that time and I would have been upset if she had just left without bringing it up again because she assumed we weren’t working on it-I do value my people, but those kind of decisions take time and gathering financial info. Not sure what your bosses’ reaction was, but it could be that they are working on something and just busy or that they forgot. And from my perspective forgetting does not mean they don’t care, just that they are spinning a lot of plates. Just my $.02.

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Agree with this perspective. To add further, it is important in many places to consider the politics of how you leave a plaintiff firm. Depending on your location, you may be part of a small community. If you do things the right way, and with class, it will serve you well in the long run. As one of the posters above noted, sometimes the firm just can’t afford you, and will understand when you leave. Handling this in a way that does not burn a bridge, and that maintains a good relationship with your (soon to be) former colleagues, is a good thing.

Relatedly, some firms just aren’t built to keep associates long-term. In my area, there are plenty of amazing and successful lawyers who started at fantastic firms that would have done well to keep them around. Those firms, however, are not built to keep associates for the long run. The expectation of management is that it will be up-and-out. Pat on the back as they walk out the door. No hard feelings. That might be the model here too.

Point is, be straight with the partners: you need to make more money, and you would rather do it where you are if possible. If you can’t, you’re gonna have to go elsewhere.

This happened to me as well (3 atty firm, i was the only associate). I had another bigger firm reach out with an offer of double my pay. I presented the offer to the partners in hopes of a substantial raise but understanding it wouldn't be nearly as much as the bigger firm. They did offer me a raise but it was tiny, and only after dragging their feet for a few weeks ("we'll make a decision soon don't worry"). I learned where I stood after the raise discussion and decided to leave even though I didn't take the other job.

In my mind I weighed where I stood with the firm (even though I was friends with them and it didn't feel like I had bosses) and my WLB vs. what I felt I should be getting paid. At the end of the day remember that we do this for money, not good culture alone.

When you say they blew you off, what does that mean? No reply at all? They said they’d get back to you but haven’t? If it’s the former, that tells you all you need to know. They don’t respect or value you or your contribution to the firm. No response at all is totally unacceptable, IMO. If it’s the latter, how long has it been since they said they’d revert back? If it’s more than a month without any follow up whatsoever; again, you have your answer. Personally, I’d leave but I would not go to a firm that has a reputation for treating its associates poorly. Keep looking and leave when you find the right opportunity.

Tell them about your offer. Ask them for their advice given you’ve been offered more money. If they want you they will persuade you to stay and work out a deal. If they don’t offer you a deal you then know they don’t value you.

It always worked for me - you at least know where you stand. Your ‘why?’ stance doesn’t advance the discussion between the parties one iota.

Pray. And wait for the answer.
Personally speaking I would not leave to go to a firm where they will treat me bad. It’s not worth the pay. Keep searching for better pay. Be patient for better to come along. But, if this other firm will be a stepping stone to something better, and you are willing to put up with other peoples pettiness, politics for who know how long then the door is already open. Whether you go or stay I wish you all the best.

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