If I take out from my 401k, do I really need to show proof for a hardship loan? Just heard some chatter, that Fidelity never actually asks.

And will my employer know?

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You used to have to show proof of hardship, but I believe these were loosened recently and it is more of an honor system now.

Not sure why you are worried about your employer knowing - I’d imagine they would see it somewhere along the process, yes

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People in HR / payroll will clearly know - the payments come out of your paycheck. Clearly they need to know at minimum when a loan was taken out, by whom, what the payment is, and how long the repayment is.

What?

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You can always take from your 401k. You just may have penalties. Not sure Fidelity cares about your tax penalties. That is for you to figure out

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It depends on the plan design/document. The retirement plan at my org only allows hardship withdrawal with proof and does not allow loans. The only time we've had an employee withdraw funds was after significant medical bills following an illness.

Are you talking about a hardship withdrawal or a loan? Hardship withdrawals still have early withdrawal penalties except for specific uses (like a first home or medical expenses, see IRS guidance for list). Loan doesn’t have to be a hardship unless your employer has placed restrictions on 401k loans. Loans have to be paid back and have no taxes or penalties as long as you pay it back. In most cases, if you have a loan and leave your employer, you have to pay back the loan immediately.

https://www.cnbc.com/select/401k-loan-hardship-withdrawal/

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