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No, but only because this seems to be common practice. I think they keep it to themselves as a negotiating tactic. For some reason it seems the goal is to pay you as little as they can for a position
EY1 check Glassdoor for some high level range info.
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I just say I don’t want to waste your time. If you’re not able to provide appreciate it but I’m good and I move on
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Agree with D1. Things have changed over the past 20-30 years. It’s often company policy (and not a shitty recruiter), so be polite
Imo yes. Counter by making sure they know your range and don't budge. Know your worth and don't accept less. This isn't a company vs candidate thing, this needs to be you doing your own market research and knowing what you're worth and what you're willing to accept, and don't buck at anyone's process.
That being said, there are plenty of companies out there that do post their salary ranges. I also don't think you'd be unreasonable for pushing them if they want you to do more than one or two interviews - it'll save your time and theirs.
What about giving a range but the bottom would be your target amount. From my experience they usually ask for a range opposed to a set number. This way you could work your way up in negotiations or not because the minimum is what you already wanted
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You work for money
If they won't tell you they're wasting your time
In 2022, yes
Depends on how they frame their reason why imo. If its because they don't want you "to be in it for the money" run the other way.
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Without a doubt it’s a red flag. If they haven’t done this work, it’s likely true that they haven’t figured out how to value the role properly.
In 2022 absolutely
In fact, and some locals, it is the law that a company must reveal the base salary range upon receiving a request from an applicant
I won't even respond to a recruiter inquiry unless they specify the salary... other than to mail them back and ask for basic info like salary, TC, goal, location/wfh, reports to whom, who's on my team, title, next job, & etc. It's mind boggling that somebody would ask a person to respond without giving the basic information needed to qualify an opportunity.
Money isn't everything but it's how we keep score and thus salary is a fair initial heuristic for the level of seniority and experience required. I get inquiries all the time where the salary is 2-3x less than I make currently; providing the salary let's us get to "no" quickly without wasting any more of our time. It also tells me the recruiter doesn't know what they're doing if they're way off.
Absolutely. Im not even taking an interview until I know. Why waste mine or their time.
I have told the recruiter that I need to know before we spend time on this. They have told me in the first meeting and if they don’t bring it up, I do it. I say I want to make sure it is financially viable to even proceed.
If they refused to provide it I’d take my current salary add 30%. They’d be like that’s way too much for us. I’d say make an offer. I’d get the number out of them either way. We’d probably settle at a 15-20% raise. I still win. Or they cut off the conversation and I wasn’t interested in working for the same or lower pay anyway. I still win. I don’t know why they don’t teach negotiating in any of our education system.
Yes, especially if you can’t even get a ballpark estimate.
Be weary of any selling points around increases or bonuses - being eligible to participate in the performance review process if hired by a certain date is VERY different from being eligible to actually get an increase or bonus.
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Don’t you already know the range? Glassdoor and FB and other sites are full of people providing their salary.
Companies in markets in NYC and San Fran are now legally obligated to disclose salary ranges. It’s probably to the company’s benefit to do so since that’s what’s trending in the hiring space.
In CA they’re legally obligated to give a range.
But yes red flag, tells you that they don’t have a good pulse on the market and are behind on their hiring practices.
Yep. Especially in this labor market. If it’s an appropriate, competitive pay for the work asked, why the secrecy?
In 2022, yes- especially after your first non-phone screen call. The only incentive for them not to tell you is if comp is bad
I wouldn't quit for 30% more, it'll be 15 after taxes. Not worth the goodwill unless you've got an untenable situation, got layered, can't advance or what have you.