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What does bench life look like for you? For me a typical day looks like this 9 am- sign in and check emails 930-11 : look for a new job 11-2 lunch and nap 2-3 : sometimes meetings, mostly begging people for billable work 3-4:30 - proposal work if I have it or more job hunting 5-9pm family time and dinner 10-3am - netflix, videogames, cry myself to sleep

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Based on the comments of many I know I’m not alone in just being weary right now and the past year. Big law litigation is just a billable hamster wheel I want to get off. I’m also done with firm politics, billable hours, and mystery comp models. But I’m a sucker for security and the “devil you know” has kept me here for years. Are lower stress law jobs a real thing in house and how do you get away from litigation if you haven’t been working hardcore on contracts?

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Am I crazy for trying to switch firms? I am a second year and I love my firm and the people I work for are terrific. My previous practice group was terrible but the work and the people I’m with are great and so is the money (big law). The problem is that I’m not getting enough of it. I range between 110-130 billable hours per month and feel like I don’t deserve my salary. The partners I work with seem to love my work and insist that it’s fine but I have started feeling useless (continued)

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3.5 years out of school, 2400 billable hours last year in TRS and just got promoted. what kind of year end compensation should I be expecting? Bonus and new salary

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Some good news after almost 11 months of applying and interviews and lots of rejections finally got an offer! In NYC small firm, ex big law folks, no billable hours, niche practice area, appearance of forwarded thinking firm, remote till who knows when, emphasis on pro bono initiatives and building book of business. The catch salary. Was making around 140k at last firm with 1800 billable. Offer is 85k and revist to bump to around 100k in several months after review (plus discretionary bonus)

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Small firm owners need pov! Some good news after almost 11 months of applying and interviews and lots of rejections finally got an offer! In NYC small firm, ex big law folks, no billable hours, niche practice area, appearance of forwarded thinking firm, remote till who knows when, emphasis on pro bono initiatives and building book of business. The catch salary. Was making around 140k at last firm with 1800 billable. Offer is 85k and revist to bump to around 100k in several months after review

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Some good news after almost 11 months of applying and interviews and lots of rejections finally got an offer! In NYC small firm, ex big law folks, no billable hours, niche practice area, appearance of forwarded thinking firm, remote till who knows when, emphasis on pro bono initiatives and building book of business. The catch salary. Was making around 140k at last firm with 1800 billable. Offer is 85k and revist to bump to around 100k in several months after review (plus discretionary bonus)

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Anyone have advice or thoughts in quitting without having something lined up? Hit 60 billable hours for this week already and it’s only Thursday morning. Considering just quitting and then being able to devote time and energy to interviewing.

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First year here. Do associates get fired for not meeting the billable requirements?

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Seeking some candid advice: I am relatively new to the legal community (roughly 1.5 years). I work in insurance and I first believed my frustrations/dissatisfaction involving my current role stemmed from my inability to effectively capture my time, especially when my 10-15 hour days (and long weekends) would produce minuscule results. After consulting with my external legal community, I turned my billable hours around (virtually overnight). (continues in comments)...

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What is reasonable salary when taking billable rate into account? I’ve heard one third of billable rate x billable hour expectation. Hoping to provide some back up when I negotiate my raise in January.

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What is more important to a firm’s bottom line—billable hours or worked amount/ collections? And what do they go by for promotion decisions? My billable hours were lower than last year but worked $ amount stayed the same and my collections went up.

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I am a developer and one of my performance metrics is "Utilization" (billable hours). I am finding it hard to meet this goal (get enough work from my project team), accomplish all my admin tasks, and take vacation/holidays. Any advice?

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I understand that the way to figure out whether you’re paid appropriately is to take your number of billable hours multiplied by your hourly rate and divided by three. Going into my annual review, I’m it even sure if I’ll be offered a raise, but if I am, should I apply that formula to my new hourly rate (if it’s increased) or my current one?

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16 weeks and so worried all of the stress I’m under is going to hurt the baby. Between work, my own scary (non-pregnancy) health stuff, the pandemic, my mom (who is a widow and lives alone, basically isolated by choice due to covid) is having health issues, and pressures to keep billable hours up, I’ve been having complete breakdowns. Today I spent almost the entire day crying and now have to make up the billable time this weekend. I really worry abt what effect this will have on the babe.

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My billable hours bonus requirement/target is 1900. Unless I pull a 300 hour month in December, I won’t be hitting that. The reason being is that in June, I had a parent pass which required me to travel overseas to take care of arrangements. I also had another family emergency in October that also required me to travel overseas. Do you guys think the firm will take this into consideration?

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In years you don’t make your bonus, what do your billable hours typically look like? Are you missing it by a hair or is it normal to have some years where you’re only billing 1600? I just finished my first year and trying to figure out what a “normal” slow year looks like compared to a pandemic slow year.

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For firms that are announcing year end special bonuses (and that have billable requirements for the bonuses) - are you required to hit the billable threshold to receive both the regular and special bonus? Or is the special bonus paid out to all regardless of hours?

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Is it possible to have an off day with billable hours? Corner office is always concerned about our mental health “in these trying times” yet the not-so-subtle “I noticed your hours went down this week” convos undermine that. Even if my hours are down from 2 weeks ago but still over 40 billable.

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Any good resource regarding big law salary and billable hours requirements in European offices?

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What are the benefits of working at a small law firm (about 10 attorneys) as opposed to a midsize firm. What is the difference in the amount of work/ billable hours, benefits (health insurance and PTO), opening doors for future career opportunities, etc. I have an interview at a small law firm, which is not what I ideally wanted, but I am considering it because of the COVID uncertainties. I appreciate any kind of guidance.

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So, I'm happy at my current job and have been there about 18 months. Our pay is probably 15% below market (AmLaw 100) but so are our billable requirements. An interview for another firm kind of fell into my lap, and I'm debating whether to take it just for the sake of seeing what market really is. Is there something shady about interviewing somewhere you're not totally committed to accepting an offer from?

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I want to start a thread about important questions to ask before accepting a job offer. For example, before accepting a job offer I will generally respond to the offer asking the following questions: 1. Health insurance (insurer name, deductibles, my portion of the premium) 2. 401 K (company match?) 3. Bonus structure 4. Required billable hours 5. My office hours 6. Partnership track 7. Will I have an assistant/paralegal? 8. Will I have my own office? Please add to this!

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What do you do if you just become completely overwhelmed? Everyone in my group is overloaded, and I’m being pulled in a million directions at once. There just aren’t enough hours in the day, and I’m doing the best I can, but I feel like I’m not communicating my workload well enough, because I’m at my physical limit (80 billable hours last week) and still being asked to do more. Any advice on how to handle this as a junior?

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I just started to Bill hourly recently and getting use to it. How do you tell your client your billable rate or that you’re billing for responding emails?

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Are your firms expecting you to hit your normal billable hours target or making any adjustments because of covid? I just did my calculations and I would have to bill almost 500 hours between Nov 1 and Dec 31 to hit my minimum bonus target. Not looking good and feeling disappointed.

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Our M has suddenly started assigning us firm initiative work, like creating account newsletters for the internal team. (Think about a long email with tips about WFH, exercise, hobbies, and other nonsense). We've tried to politely tell him we have project work to address and that the new monthly newsletter is frankly not a priority and that it's impeding billable work. He has screwed team members over during reviews for but listening to everything he says. I'm really not sure what to do. Advice?

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I work small (tiny) law. I make mid-100s, so not great salary, but my firm is so laid back. If I bill 1000 hours, that's fine (we were a remote firm before COVID made it cool). Compared to all my peers getting crushed under 1800+ billable requirements, I've got severe imposter's syndrome. Did I do something right or have I set myself up for failure by avoiding the pressure cooker? (I was at a firm for 2 years that was 1800+.) Curious as to thoughts/experiences.

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Just got into a full time grad program for international affairs that starts in January of 2021. (completely changing careers). I need to stay working at my firm until then and possible after to get the billable hours for my CPA. I passed all 4 exams and I refuse to give let that go to waste...... how do I tell my employer I'll be going to school in a way that they'll still let me work part time? Extremely nervous they're just going to let me go.

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Got an offer from a big firm. I’m currently working at a small firm. The pay increase would be about 20% not including bonus. My concern with big law is obviously the stress level and billable hours but the small firm life concerns me long term because there’s only currently 6 lawyers and we just lost an office.

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Can you thrive or survive in consulting by doing only client billable work?

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Finally, now that WFH is more accepted (thanks 2020), do you think more industries will “reimagine” this arbitrary 40+ hr. work week? Some orgs tried/have proven to be more productive with less (e.g. 6hr work days, 4 day work weeks) but I don’t know if consulting leaders are enthusiastic about normalizing this since “it’s the land of billable hours”... What would it take?

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I love my firm, but just got an offer to move firms for a bigger chunk of change and lower billable hours requirement. Logically, it makes sense to move, but I’m hesitant. Both firms seem great culture-wise. I am young and succeeding at my current firm. Any thoughts?

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I am 6 billable hours away from my Nov. 1 target. Can I go back to bed? 😴

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Do you count Sundays as a weekday? Somehow I always end up with an ASAP billable work. Not complaining, just making observations.

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When your boss gives you 48 hours (clock hours not billable hours) to produce a viable objection to a MTD/compel arbitration in a complex commercial lit case, which is not my practice area, what kind of result is he expecting? From scratch, no template.

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What are your thoughts on contingent pay for associates based upon a percentage of billable hours collected? What percentage is fair? What about when paid in conjunction with a base salary?

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At my new job, we’re told to get 8 billable hours of work a day on our timesheet. Even when I thought I had a lot to work on, the most I could get was 5 hours. I’m super stressed about getting in trouble, even though I have actively asked for more work. I was unemployed for 9 months during this pandemic and I now I’m super afraid of losing my job again. Is this a normal practice? Idk how I’ll ever consistently have that much work.

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If you are an associate assisting on a file, you get cc’d on all emails and take time to read them and stay up to date, however you aren’t actually replying to the emails or doing any billable work. But you need to stay in the loop for when you need to eventually draft a document and know the facts. How do you record your time for these emails?

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I am a Marriott Titanium lifetime elite and I wrote Marriott asking for a hard copy certificate that I can frame and put next to my college diplomas. They haven’t written me back yet. Am I a loser?

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Can anyone get me a PointB referral? I’m not at a big4 and need it. Thank you

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After getting laid off 2 weeks ago, I fired off about 20 resumes to different places. I have not received any feedback at all. Any ideas how to get past the computer and in front of someone?

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I have trust issues; I don’t trust when my PPMD said they will support my promotion; I don’t trust it when people say I’m doing fine, etc. Is this normal?

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How have you approached a client poaching you to work in house? At what point do you “owe” it to your agency/team to tell them? Would you wait until you get an actual offer or ....

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I am moving from Virginia to Jersey City, NJ shortly. I have a Learner's permit from Virginia (unfortunately no Driver's license because Covid disrupted my plans to get one). After moving to NJ, do I need to once again take the written test to be able to get NJ Driver's License despite the fact that I took one at Virginia DMV before getting Learner's permit?

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best advice for someone looking to transition from consulting into tech? Was laid off recently from consulting and have around 1 yr of experience, but haven’t seen many entry-level strategy roles in tech — do folks have any advice?

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So I took a year off from teaching to pass the certification tests and have been working in higher ed, will it be easy for me getting back into the classroom, specifically K-2 classrooms?

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Does anyone have any great websites that are interactive for teaching the skeletal system? Or activities that I can do during this Covid time on line?

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Just got done with final interview yesterday. Recruiter emailed me this morning asking to set up time to speak. Good news or no?

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