Maybe an unpopular opinion, but I don’t understand why people say, “I’m not asking to take PTO. I’m just telling you when I’ll be out.” I feel like it’s common courtesy to “ask” by putting a request in. Not all companies are trying to be toxic and deny your vacation. The asking system exists to ensure an entire department is not off at the same time and to also ensure adequate notice is given if you’re out for an extended period of time. Your request will more than likely be approved.

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This is unpopular, because as professional adults we should be putting our PTO when it’s not impacting or blocking major milestones (with some degree of flexibility). So no, we don’t ask, we’re saying we’ll be out because PTO is an earned benefit. Now when scheduled PTO conflicts with a major deliverable/event, then it’s a conversation, but for every other situation we are not asking permission

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Buuuut at the same time, you will have those people that request time off right before a holiday/major event and then be all mad that it was denied. I think the people like us that are just respectful about when we are requesting really never have to worry about being denied. It’s a two-way street. You know your job responsibilities, and your employer should respect work-life balance. Plan requests, ask as far in advance as possible, and have conversations with your manager if it’s something sudden.

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When I "asked", I was denied. When my colleague told, they weren't. I'm not "asking" anymore. I'll follow the system for notifying, but i'm an adult capable of scheduling my client commitments around my time off. It's my time - i'm not asking for permission.

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I've really only seen this said, at least personally, when the PTO that was asked for was denied, generally for a reason that doesn't actually ring as true. If my reasonable request is approved, then there's no need to enforce that it is a benefit and I WILL be using it.

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Sounds like you are raw because of the lack of respect for your authoritay. Should your minions ask because you are the "bawss"? You're going to struggle to retain strong people with that mindset.

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It depends on each companies policy. Most of them say in the handbook that you must get approval. It is because of making sure that it's not impacting major milestones or the whole department wants out at the same time like holidays. If a manager is saying no to PTO for a power play, they're just a bad manager.

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I think the nature of your question depends on the nature of your industry and culture. In a restaurant environment, for example, you need to know when people are out so a shift is covered. In education, the culture may be to submit your request X days in advance, and assume it's approved as long as a sub picks up the job.

And with so many big companies offering "unlimited PTO", it's about getting the job done, and those team members give courtesy PTO announcements more than requests to take off. They're probably also more likely to hop on a call or work a little as needed because of the flexibility.

I hear what you're saying, but I do think the answer varies.
Also, when you create a culture that supports work-life balance and sets expectations, your team steps up to help meet those expectations. I lead a very small team but they know when we need coverage, and we collaborate on our time off to ensure we are not diminishing our the services we offer because we're temporarily short staffed. I never have to say no to a time off request. The expectation is that the time off is approved, and that teammates are proactive in communicating this but also preparing the team to fill in where needed.

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It's just common courtesy

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It depends on culture. Emailing your teammates giving them a heads up you'll be out on x dates months in advance and will arrange coverage is pretty respectful even though it's not phrased as a request

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How long have you been in the workforce? You must be new here

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Giving notice so that management has time to prepare IS common courtesy. Requiring a request just so that you can feel more in control of the lives of your employees (even if you rarely say no) is unnecessary and a honestly unrealistic in most situations. When someone says they’ll be taking time off and it’s becoming a problem for the company, you can easily explain why this timing is difficult, offer some sort of compensation for them to change their personal plans to match the company needs, and if it’s still a desperate situation, hire someone to replace the employee and let them know it’s what you have to do.

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On the converse side, I work for an organization that is toxic.

I've had vacations booked over because I wasn't direct enough.

I've had time off denied last minute because I need to attend whole company events at my level only to have part of the conversation be how we value WLB and strategies for having our boundaries respected.

I've rushed from necessary personal appointments to work things because we don't respect one another's time and calendars.

I read someone's perspective online that the only way to win in situations like this is to go "out of town". I've never traveled to so many places with such bad mobile networks in my life before.

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Being denied time off to go to some bs company wide meeting about respecting wlb and boundaries would send me

Enough companies indeed deny PTO and force the employee to let some PTO expire. It only takes once for an employee to expect to be cheated out of PTO.

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Instead of having your reports ask for your permission for PTO, how about you ask them to reconsider their PTO if they somehow inconvenience you and offer whatever incentives (bonus, extra PTO) to make it worth their while.

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Because nearly everywhere else in the world PTO is a right, not a benefit, and you don't need to beg for it.

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Well, it is interpretation I guess?, Yes, your PTO is yours and earned, But when you say, "I'm just telling you when I'll be out" seems inconsiderate of the team and its functions. Shows you don't give a dime for other but only care about you and what you want.... No team EVER need people like that!

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But while you stress about taking a PTO day here and there or 3 PTO days remember this, they will let you go in a heartbeat whenever they want for absolutely no reason at all.

Take your days!!!!!!

I don't ask, I tell. If there's an issue, the response would be hey this doesn't work for us. My response will be let's figure out what we can do to make it work for both of us. Sometimes I have things that can't be moved but I can take half a day instead of a full day or I can shift to a different week on other things. But generally, I know my busy seasons and deadlines. As a professional, I schedule my personal things around them when possible. So I don't feel the need to ask permission to use PTO but to be open to 2 way communication so that everyone's needs are met.

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When I work for a small business I def take into consideration leaving my teammates w a crazy workload. So I coordinated accordingly. But when I work at a big company, they can figure that out on their own, being I would have a few levels of managers above me. They get paid to deal w that stuff.

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We don’t have to ask to use our PTO, if 3 days or less taken at a time. Over 3 days during the school year you need permission from HR

PTO is a "right" until no one shows up to open the store on time because everyone had the right to a day off when they pleased. How'd you like that when you show up for your morning coffee and no one is there? Or tried calling a business for help and "Oh, sorry, everyone exercised their right for PTO today." You have to coordinate, folks. It's just a respectful part of being good co-workers.

Submit the form and document that you will be unavailable to rescheduling that particular time out of the office. Only do this if the time out is actually non-negotiable.

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It’s my PTO and I will take it when I want.
Been denied too many times and watched too many brown nosers get approved.

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