They say the US has free speech, but to what extent is this true in 2022?
I graduated from GSB, live in San Fran, am left on most things, but find that it’s extremely easy to be ostracized for having any opinion even slightly against the “woke left.” Beyond the obvious ostracization online, it’s extremely true in social circles / gatherings if even a slight opinion is expressed that swings towards the right. Funny though how many of the moral high ground proponents also engage in NIMBYism.

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It’s hilarious how right the left has become

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Ultimately, the left is right of the middle when you consider how right the middle is to the left, especially when compared to Europe which has more centrist-left, left-center, right-middle, and also more left, right, left, right, B, A, select, start.

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Yes people, everyone knows that free speech in the constitution is specifically referring to the government not interfering with our speech but free speech as a society principle is what OP is referring. We used to believe that it was better to argue our sides instead of shut the other viewpoint down.

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AD1 Yeah when “fascism” is defined as everything you don’t like.

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You wont be put in jail no matter what you say

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And if Assange is tried and convicted in the US, then China, Russia, North Korea, and any other country now has the right to go after any American who exposes Chinese, Russian, North Korean and other’s crimes.

Are you sure that’s the right precedent you want to start? No one seems to be able to answer this question. The precedent you’re starting is that China now has the right to legally go after Americans who exposed Chinese crimes in Hong Kong, Tibet, and Xinjiang.

Assange isn’t charged with exposing US missile defense, trade, or IP secrets. He’s being charged with exposing US war crimes in the Middle East.

Snowden is a US citizen who exposed US state secrets and fled to Hong Kong and then to Russia. Snowden held a security clearance and signed legal documents stating he would protect US state secrets. He broke the law.

The case against Snowden has merit. The case against Assange is political, and therefore has no merit

Assange is an Australian citizen and US had no jurisdiction over Australia. Australia is an independent country and not beholden to the US.

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You need to take a civics class — freedom of speech has nothing to do with how people treat you at parties.

Or read the news. It’s not like this is some kind of ancient history. Thousands of Russians have been arrested in recent months for protesting the war in Ukraine.

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Goes to GSB, still says San Fran…

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You’re almost there, OP. Let’s connect those dots. They are virtue signaling but actively promoting policies which hinder progress and go against the poor and infrastructure development. Could it be that left wingers are hypocrites?

Will OP realize that everything he’s been told by the left has been a lie? Will he ever wake up to the fact that the teachers unions have destroyed the lives of so many children? Stay tuned for the next episode of DRAGON BALL Z!

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Free speech means only protection from government prosecution. e.g. My wife is in Taiwan to protect her disabled father, and she complained publicly on her Facebook about the abuse her father suffers at the hands of her family and nursing home. All of those losers filed a criminal charge against her, and we had to lawyer up to defend. That would never happen in the US.

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“Woke left” isn’t something any liberal ever says. It’d be like a republican capitalizing “Black”. It’s just not something in the vocabulary.

“Woke” is a trigger word Fox News has trained their viewers to be angry about because without any popular policies, grievance politics is the only thing they have left

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Yeah, this guy doesn’t seem liberal at all

https://youtu.be/qaHLd8de6nM

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Progressivism is to SF what fashion is in New York - you wear the in thing whether you like it or not to fit in. Most people I talk to have an infirm if any grasp on economics and history. They advocate for policies directly counter to the interests of those they claim to protect. Don’t be disheartened. US is still very much a “free speech” country, much much more so than most other countries. But being political is now in fashion and so you get some wannabes 🤷🏻‍♀️

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If freedom of speech means freedom to say "San Fran" then I don't want it /s

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The US is the most propagandised nation on this earth. If you’re genuinely interested in understanding how and why, reach out and happy to give some steers.

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@C4 completely agree with you. The difference is I’m not on the “other side”. I am literally a by-product of and within the side of the Anglo-Saxon media. So by default my biases are deeply entrenched in western values, ideas and propaganda. Difference is I’ve spent over a decade actively challenging it. But yes, most humans, no matter how smart and “successful” they are in the business world, are just as illiterate and victimised as others without any formal education within the Western Hemisphere. They just can’t see it.

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Of course the US has free speech.

That said, tribalism, groupthink, and rank hypocrisy are also rampant on both ends of the spectrum. SF, NYC, etc, are bastions of those on the left side, while there are counterparts on the right side in places such as flyover states.

No one who engages in such behaviors, right or left, should think they have moral superiority over the other side, they're all garbage.

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Being ostracized by your peers is different than the police showing up and putting you in jail for making a joke

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San Francisco liberals are just mask on conservatives (evidenced by the NIMBYism, etc.), but the rest of your complaints are just some nonsense

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OP, that’s not a free speech thing. The government isn’t impeding your right to expression in any way, so this is a community thing. Different communities have divergent norms as to what’s acceptable behavior. In places like New York, it tends to be a free for all as long as nobody gets hurt. In more staunchly progressive areas like SF, you’ll see more people with the views you describe, and in many rural and exurban areas, you would certainly have to keep mum about having voted for President Biden or being pro-choice or anything to do with the LGBT+ community.

There are many reasons I permanently abandoned the Midwest, and one of the most prominent was the expectation of conformity and attendant passive aggression when you don’t. Maybe you need to find the people you can engage with earnestly, and maybe they’re not in San Francisco.

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Freedom of speech does not mean freedom from consequences

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It’s partly your circle that’s the problem but mostly SF. The place reeks of nauseating levels of political correctness and fragility.

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I mean, you’re not going to get arrested by a stasi for what you say, which is pretty fantastic and something we often take for granted.

That said, yeah, the blue check mark woke Twitterati are out of control and mentally insane — and San Francisco is the center of the hive.

Fortunately, you can leave the city and steal $950 of stuff consequence-free on the way out!

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Though I was in Boston, I worked in an overwhelmingly pro-Trump office in 2016. Hanging a “Don’t blame me, I voted for Hillary” sign on my cube wall would’ve made me a prime target for harassment, possibly firing on the basis of “not fitting in the culture.”

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Free speech is when everybody has to be my friend

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