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Unfortunately, I don't think those indicators exist; it's an absolute crapshoot as to whether a firm takes an effort to invest in its associates and even the ones that think they do on a managerial level often actually don't. Not to mention that many senior/partner attorneys simply do not know how to effectively provide any feedback or mentoring (because no one taught them, and so on). You're much better off forming relationships with particular senior attorneys that you get along with and communicate well with than seeking out a firm based on how good its mentorship is.
Chief
Agree with this. Sometimes it will up to you to build such connections with partners or senior lawyers so that you can ask questions and learn from them.
You’re more likely to get a sense of this by asking other associates during the interview process. Even if they said mentorship was a benefit in the posting, that doesn’t mean it’s true or actually helpful.
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None. The only way to really know this is to ask the juniors to share and cross your fingers they’re honest.
I agree with Associate 3 above. I would interview and then you will get a feel for it when you do. And you can also ask those questions during your interview.
Part of the problem, I think, is the up-or-out/sink-or-swim ethos of law firms. Anyone who managed to survive and reach a senior level is a product of that system and believes (perhaps correctly) that they got there largely on their own. The notion that they are obligated to train and develop the next generation is simply alien to them.
When you get the answer to this question, please provide me with the answer! I am a millennial; however, I changed career paths, and still no training. Often firms believe that because of my experience in my prior career that I somehow magically learned to be a senior attorney overnight. ---It is actually repulsive. What I'd like to scream to HR and senior attorneys is: SOMEONE TAUGHT YOU! They love to live in a constant state of professional narcissism. They truly believe that they "did it all by themselves." --I am sitting here thinking, "You can't use Outlook Calendar to schedule a deposition properly, but you want me to believe that you just "pulled yourself up by your bootstraps"? If it wasn't my real life, it would be laughable.
I wholly agree with everything you said. Unfortunately, I’m still searching for an answer.
I started to receive good training and mentoring after I had put a lot of effort in myself. I think this is a two-sided issue.
Chief
Ask in the interview about training and mentoring.
@Associate 5, smart. I didn’t think of that. I’m keeping that in my back pocket.
I’d only believe it if they actually talk about it with some detail in the job posting. I’ve seen it actually done that way for smaller law firms who are looking for a lateral that they hope will stay with them for the long term.
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