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Petulant child...wow...if you had been through 1/10th of 1% of what this guy had been through your head would have exploded! Six independent FBI investigations, politically motivated insanity, non-stop assaults on his character, his family threatened interminably and here you are picking apart his testimony and life and you don’t know the first thing about him...yeah, I’m sure your characterization impacts him
Dr. Ford can't recall dates, locations, events before, events after, and all four witnesses that she says were there that night already went on record as being unable to support her version of events under felony penalty of perjury and none of you even blink. Yet, people latch on to accounts of high school drinking as evidence of his character? - implying that he must have done this without any actual evidence to support the accusations. I'd be upset too if my life were turned upside down by this kind of political circus. How many of you would like to be held to this standard?
Any true patriot would be concerned with giving that much power to a man with an odd background like Brets
D3, the very definition of smear is to accuse without evidence. Moreover, before of Ford, he had a sterling reputation and every person interviewed said he was a Boy Scout. Year book entires can mean whatever you interpret then to mean but by themselves are pretty damn meaningless. Lying under oath is a bit of a stretch, mostly technicalities on how he phrased something in the heat of the moment, or “all witnesses denied this happened” compared to “all witnesses denied or stated they had no memory of” which is splitting hairs. I have yet to see anything that would disbar him except activists on the other side shouting bad names.
“ Every person interviewed said he was a Boy Scout” 🙄🙄🙄
Well to start, I'm pretty sure independence would have a field day if I had $200,000 unsecured debt for baseball tickets. So might not get there in the first place...
If I was in that case, I would immediately request an investigation into those charges. I would bring in any possible witnesses and evidence to prove my character. Since I did not drink, consistently spent time doing volunteer work, and was pretty much a shy kid I shouldn't have a problem proving my innocence.
I would also showcase my character by maintaining my composure and I would definitely not throw a tantrum regardless of what was said against me.
The whole point is that when the FBI investigates but the results aren’t as desired, they will talk down about it to discredit it as support for their opposition
It’s a little silly to think anyone can smear someone without any evidence. This is only happening because there are multiple folks immediately saying he didn’t have the best character and is capable of the allegations. Combined with some of the notes & written things in the yearbook. Combined with the lying under oath and the secrecy around holding back thousands of documents. Combined with the odd rant and conspiracy theories he’s mentioned
The organization that helps decide to disbar someone also asked for this investigation so idk what to tell you man. If you have to spend this much time defending a mans actions then that in itself should concern you
This is the issue. I thought perhaps all this may not be true. He had a lot of good people vouching for him. However, I was interested I hearing from him from his own moth. You can tell a lot about a person when they are unfairly treated or accused and I said, ok this is a litmus test. I have been in his shoes before. Not for sexual assault but for being accused of saying something I never said. It’s a terrible place to be in.
In his case, he could have been direct and straightforward when asked questions. You may say, the questions were unfair. Well, tough. Life is not fair and he’s not a kid. Rather he’s a pretty well educated lawyer who understands that communication is how cases are won.
I’d have expected much better behavior from him in this situation. And when you dodge questions and avoid being direct, I can only assume there’s more where that came from.
Before he came forth, I was rather ambivalent but after all said and done, I could not in good conscience sign off on the guy. He left me nervous. He was rude and no one should tell me it was justified. That is just not becoming of someone that will preside over the fate of many others.
#thatsjusthowitis
Not sure how this applies to due process. In any case, there are clearly better choices in the GOP roster after his attitude in front of Congress.
SM1: Why should either of them have been interviewed? They just spent hours providing testimony to the Senate all under oath?
Interviews with trained law enforcement professionals are different than being asked questions in 5 minute increments by senators. Additionally, the FBI could have asked them about whatever additional information / statements they obtained from the additional witness interviews
@PWC1, I’m more just curious since everyone is asking for an investigation as if it’ll clear things up. So I’m curious, will it?
C1, are you presenting a possible outcome of an investigation that just started, and asking if that will change people’s minds? Hypothetical question, isn’t it? If people’s minds are made up (you know, like the Clinton uranium deal, Clinton email server issue, Benghazi, Trump’s finances, etc), will an exhaustive analysis really change our mindsets fundamentally? Given that the media we hear it from is probably biased - both ways - as well?
It’s not that hypothetical, he already submitted a letter saying that - odds are an FBI interviewer isn’t going to get a different response. Either way, the point of my question is: why demand an FBI investigation if you don’t care about the outcome?
C1, here is the thing. We cant know what happened unless damning proof appears on either side. We know that probably is not going to happen. The goal of the testimony is not to disqualify him but to highlight hat in the past he may have done something terrible. This led to another two or three accusations of similar behavior. If the FBI investigation uncover more of this and they are found to be credible even if there is not enough evidence to bring him to trial, the FBI can say Kavanaugh has multiple women accusing him of sexual assault. This should be enough to get the GOP to select a more suitable candidate (Barrett might not be a bad choice)
If FBI conducts an exhaustive investigation and none of the claims can be proven and no additional potential cases of sexual assault come up ( people like this tend to have a pattern) then I would be ok with him getting confirmed. Right now there is enough doubt (openly partisan, history of heavy/uncontrolled drinking, lack of ability to maintain composure and clear minded under pressure, an axe to grind against political opponents, etc.), I personally wouldn't give him a life time job deciding the constitutionality of the laws of this country.
If all we get is a media circus to pretend something is being investigated, then I will confirm that GOP just does not care. And I hope they pay for it.
C1, I hope they ask more detailed questions than that. “I don’t remember” is different from “it didn’t happen.” Did you know Dr. Ford? And what about the party, do you remember the party? Have you ever known Kavanaugh to have memory lapses due to drinking? Can you explain these yearbook references?
PwC 3, first of all Biden is a relic who needs to retire. Anyone who uses any backward statements he made many years ago also needs to catch up with the times. That said while his conclusion was wildly off, the fact that FBI in these cases doesn't reach conclusions is true. The FBI job here is to gather facts. Facts which in this case are sorely missing.
Yeah, I’ll just return to my original point: the guy told a bunch of obvious lies under oath. So exactly how credible is his denial?
Maybe don’t put yourself in that situation in that first place? Just saying.