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L5 is what you will join as assuming you can get past the tech interview.
To put things in perspective from a total comp comparison
L4 - mgr to senior mgr total comp
L5 - smgr to level 4 partner at Accenture
L6 - level 3 Accenture partner
L7 - L2 Accenture partner
L8 - global lead for tech practice
Also Google hires for tech skills - consulting usually is too high level but I made it in...so it's possible.
There’s not a binary mapping. There are multiple factors including product area, business function, and interview performance. I jumped as a newly promoted manager at a big 4 to the higher end of the L4 band within Eng (likely = to L5 in the general business org). My advice would be to shoot for as high as you can get, but you should have the realistic expectation that you’re likely an L5. If you get an offer, focus on the total package (I’ve heard that it’s very rare to renegotiate level and that it may typically require additional interview cycles)
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We don't hire from consulting companies for leadership roles because we would rather hire people with experience growing tech companies.
Also we don't demote people one level down. We just don't think that the titles that consultants come in with match with the skills required to complete the role at google.
Think about it....why would we let Accenture determine what the experience someone needs to be a manager, staff consultant or deliver exec at google. We have an entirely different business model than consulting firms do and we train our people differently.
Last thing....almost nobody here has an ego. So if you got disappointed that you were given an L5 opportunity - then you will hate it here when you realize that it takes 3-5 yeas to get the next jump. Also....I can't wait to see the look on your face when you realize that you have to do your own work because there is nobody to delegate the work too. 90% of people here are individual contributors
Chief
Ok....we hired a few people that have 20-30 years of experience from consulting. Below that level - we don't hire consultants very often to lead or technical staff
We had a metric recently and the number of people that joined Google cloud from large consulting firms was tiny compared to all of the other companies
My main point is that if you want to join Google from a consulting company....you may want to do a pit stop in a cloud practice at a smaller company that is more technical.
SM at Accenture expecting L8 😆😆😆 U need to set the expectations right my friend.
🙄 no one is expecting L8 pal. Don’t even want to apply for L8. Thanks for super helpful tip tho
Pro
Tbh… if they interviewed for L5 they’ll down level you and offer an L4.
The only way you’re getting L5 is if you absolutely knocked it out of park in every single interview. Comp wise you’ll be fine as Google probably will beat Accenture SM salaries even at L4.
I know 8-10 SM from Deloitte/Accenture who are all L4 / L5. They all had 13-15 YOE before joining Google.
It’s not personal but consulting skills don’t translate 1-1 to tech. If it’s disappointing you can try other clients which keep ex consulting folks on a pedestal.
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Base pay is not going to compare with consulting. But the real money is in equity (intial grant and annual refreshes). L4 should be around 200-220 for non tech.
Check levels.fyi for swe and your target location. Reduce 10-15% for non-tech roles.
The L6’s I know have around 15-20 years of work experience and any L7 is at minimum 15 years of experience.
I think you have a choice to make, stay in Accenture and be able to command vast numbers of people and make pretty decent comp. However your work/life balance is probably not very chill.
Or come to Google, and enjoy some perks that I didn’t get in consulting because we as a company are so profitable.
For example, during Covid they allowed us to take up to 14 weeks of “carer’s leave” to take care of children or family that is sick. That’s a hell of a lot of leave that you can take. That’s on top of any paternity/maternity leave and your vacation, etc.
Genuinely curious why you thought you would hit L7/8 as an SM if you’ve already interviewed at L5?
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@m1. You get 2 months to learn Google cloud. Used to be 3
This cracked me up!
L7/ L8 , what are you on?
L8 is Director at Google!
And I came from consulting as well to Google and not from Service providers, but Microsoft!
You are getting interviewed for L5 only because GCP is hiring left and right!
At best, you are L4
OP, you can get L6 in a strategy and operations role.
If you do good work it shouldnt matter in the medium-long term.
I took a pay and title cut from consulting: first year early promotion manager (4YOE total) to an L3 role in Google Finance, which is as junior as they hire.
Fast forward 5 years and I’m L6 making probably 200k per year more than my same cohort in consulting is (they mainly all made SM this year or will next year). I almost rejected the role because i was worried about title and the comp decrease plus having to move to a HCOL city. Glad i didn’t at this point.
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At M3, G5 is definitely an outlier. It takes about 2-3 years per promotion and for L6 you may have to wait a bit longer as there are more criteria to prove.
At 2 yrs per promotion which is best case scenario it would take 6 years. Normally I would say about 7-8 years to jump 3 bands.
That being said I have seen folks getting promoted in 1.5 years and have reached L6/L7 very quickly. Depends on which project you get and how the team shapes up.
What was disappointing about it?
Rising Star
What is your current comp?
How are you evaluating that the responsibilities will be less?
Why did you interview for a L5 position? We’re you upfront with the recruiter about your interest in L7/8 roles only?
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You are probably L5. L6 if you're truly outstanding with deep expertise and specialization in an area that the team needs.
If lucky l6
Chief
Simple analogy for my consultants.
How often do you hire a senior programmer or engineer that is hands on as managing director?
Is it because they are missing a key set of skills? Or could it be that the selling that they did on their old company is not the same way they you sell and structure deals at your company?
It's the same thing over here.
In fairness, yes, some firms might. Expert, specialist and technical tracks in consulting are becoming more and more common. A hotshot swe or other hands on digital expert could enter Accenture or IBM at MD or similar level, maybe Deloitte Digital and BCG Gamma too.
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Appreciate all the insights in this thread Googlers. I am looking at PgM roles at L5. What total comp can I expect. Levelsfyi doesn’t have any data on it. What’s the closest role I should look at ?
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SF Bay Area / NYC: 250-300 all in.
Other areas take 10-20% off depending on location.
Google down levels, so it doesn’t matter the yoe you have. Depends on how well and at what level you perform in the interviews. You can ask for L6 but then you have to go through another round of interviews.
Source: personal experience
Agreed! I am saying that the level mapping isn’t 1:1.