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I’m not sure who told you we get high salaries, but that’s definitely not true across the board. Our wages are actually quite unlivable. The reason we get 10% raises is because it’s a high inflation country.
We work ridiculous hours to serve our American overlords (which makes RTO policies so unreasonable). And if you choose to work for an Indian company instead, they’ll make you work every Saturday.
There’s a reason why everyone here wants to move to the US. That said, India is one of the few countries with a positive growth story so I’m cautiously optimistic. Lots of companies outsourcing jobs to here.
I'm by no means an expert on India and its employment picture. But just common sense and general awareness tells us that appraisal can't be true. There are many Indians who come to the US to work in the tech industry, but I don't know that I've heard of any Americans wanting to relocate to India. That seems to tell a story.
It's down to salary and benefits. Both are much higher in the West than in India. After a few years, Indian engineers go back to their own country with everything they have learned which is a brain drain for US and EU.
There's nothing about India to envy.
I wouldn't be so sure about that. India has plenty to offer - one just needs to have the right set of eyes to to see it :)
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This is satire, right?
I don’t think that is true, or we would not have so many working in tech here in the states.
Even if salary Growth in India is higher, it is not enough to keep up with inflation there. Compare it with something Americans experienced after pandemic. Everything is expensive so your salary raise probably isn’t enough to keep up with it.
Also in general, USA has the highest standards of living across the world(barring healthcare may be).
Ahahahaha this has got to be a joke comment.
Nope. When we were trying to build an offshore team there, my company wasn't willing to pay enough to even be worth interviewing an actually qualified candidate because his expected salary (less than $80k USD annually) would have been a P5 there, even though that's less than we'd pay a P1 fresh out of college in the US. From my experience trying to interview candidates there, most are not qualified, and there are too many degree mill schools churning out such candidates. Apparently even in legitimate schools, many Bachelor degree programs are only three years, versus four, and it shows in that a common pattern I see is candidates who can talk all day about theory, but fail miserably on exercises involving actual practice. Not to mention the cultural dynamics of many people getting into tech because of family pressure to get a "good" job, versus actual interest.
And please don't take this the wrong way, I know some amazing folks in the Indian tech industry...but they are few and far between in a sea of mediocrity.
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It is inevitable. The national identity program they enacted has lit a fuse of growth (fractured government had been a big impediment to growth there). They are the 5th largest economy and soon to be 3rd in the next 3 years. USA is going into malaise and it is all downhill from here. Deny it all you want but within 10-20 years, America will not run the world. China has done a hell of job sabatoging America.
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It helps every facet of their lives. Universal access to banking. Reduced fraud. Easier for employment or government services.
https://www.biometricupdate.com/202406/national-digital-identity-authorities-share-real-world-governance-and-service-gains#:~:text=India%3A%20Aadhaar%20empowers%20billions,bedrock%20of%20India's%20digital%20infrastructure.
If you can’t compete with Indians in the US who need visas you won’t stand a chance against Indians in India
That's like If you can't compete against someone in the NFL, you won't stand a chance against college football players. LOL
No. The grass is always greener. The culture is very different and the expectations are a lot tougher. Also if it's a contract role you may be making half of the rate, if that, while the Indian firm takes the rest. They are also quite quick to terminate.
Wow. I never would have imagined that someone would profess envy of Indian developer pay. Why do you think they are all trying to get any job they can in other countries? Hint: it's not because they are making too much at home. You are envious of a 10% raise? Because 10% of Not Very Much is still not very much. I think you should do a little more research on the actual daily conditions of Indian tech workers before deciding they somehow have it better than developers in other countries. This beats all I've ever seen!
That grass is not greener.
The opportunity comes mainly from underpricing US labor costs. The folks in India work very hard, long hours, not always the best of conditions.
That being said, while India's tech community improves every year, in my experience the US labor pool tends to have a greater number of expert level engineers, but you pay handsomely for them (as you should).
I guess the point is, walk a mile in their shoes.
Given the crazy long hours, lack of time off and the rampant sectarian discrimination that goes on over there - and thats before you even put race into the mix - along with the poor health and safety standards, the fact that many datacenters in India always seem to be in some stage of construction/decay, the inability to take the initiative and make a decision without involving multiple layers of management and upper management, you couldn't pay me in golden yachts to work there.
Companies usually outsource to Indian, because they don't pay them US Prices.
Envy? Absolutely not. India is stretched as thin as a nation can be. Currently 48% of the GDP is derived from services. A huge slice of which is tech (obviously). No population can actually pull that off, especially with rampant inflation. The imbalance will eventually implode on them, in a similar fashion to how the housing bubble burst, but with AI.
With heavy focus on job-oriented education, most engineers are insufficiently educated to innovate outside their comfort zone (this problem is more global - not just India).
The Indian economy is not as good as it could be, having fashioned a similar model as the US service industry (which is also heading for an implosion).
The push to bring manufacturing back onshore is directly related to the macro-economic shift created by automation and artificial intelligence. Services are becoming automated and requiring less staff to create and maintain.
So no, I don't envy them. In truth, I fear for us all...
What was that 10% relative to? Comp that isn't enough to buy a house to begin with?
Hope this was a sarcasm :) 10% raise in India < 2% raise in US
I live in Northern Virginia, there are many people from India
that moved here for tech so not sure if this is true. Since US still has high inflation not sure how bad it is in Indian.
For every good Indian in tech there is probably ~6 bad ones. I have seen what outsourced development and support looks like and how incompetent some of the project managers are.