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#0 How much max salary for grade K ?
#1 How long does it take to promote in bny from grade K to L ?
#2 Any specific criteria for promotion? Expr , certification etc...?
#3 How much % hike to expect post promotion ?
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40k on 80 is not 40k on 100 not 40k on 120. You mentioned senior so I'm guessing you're a mid level. If you're mid on 70k, I'd take it. If your mid on a 100k, lots of things to think about before jumping ship. One thing I always go back to: it's not the next move, but the move after that move.
This is great advice, "it's not the next move, but the move after the move." I kinda see this new opportunity as that, transitional that leads to something better. If I do then jump ship I already have a Senior title. Just hoping good shops won't see this part of my journey as a "downgrade" and not worth considering, you know? I'm maybe overthinking. In the end it is the book that counts.
In the end, it’s all about the money. 💰
Your book is the most important thing, if money isn’t an issue right now. Because, it’s a lot easier to from a great shop to a great shop than it is to go from a mid to a great one. That will get you a better book in a long run and more money.
Also, don’t make a jump based on potential. Agencies like a promise a lot to get you in the door. But the reality is that a lot of things can change. They can lose clients, budgets can change, people who made the promises can leave, and you might end up never touching the better opportunities.
The other thing to remember, what makes ok shops creative is not just the creative department. It’s the team surrounding them. The account and strat teams.
In more creative shops, the remit is clear. So you’re able to get better work done because you’re more likely to be all rowing in the same direction.
At an ok shop, you’re more likely to have to deal more with the politics of pushing the work through. Because people around you won’t have the same mindset.
Not that it can’t happen. It’s just harder to get better work through.
Do you think you can get one good thing out of the new place to add to your book? If so, take it. Then bounce again if you don’t like it.
There would be one, yes. And, kinda where my thinking is headed. More so if I do bounce I already have the Senior title. I'm lucky that I don't necessarily need the extra money right now, just worried it looks "bad" as a career journey too, that I downgraded from a good name agency to an okay one? Does that matter these days as a mid/senior?
This is tough. Do you need the money? Or do you need the work. Gotta ask yourself those questions. Money isn’t everything until it is.
Do you have a family you need to support where the 40k would help? Or can you keep living off your current salary. If it were me, I’d stick to a place I love with fun work over money… but again depends on where you are in life.
In this economy? Take the money.
*WHEN they do layoffs.
Way too early to chase money. If you have the luxury of staying with the better agency, do it. At this stage in your career you have to rely on other people to fix the major issues that plague the work. That feels risky.
Yep. Easy to torpedo your career this early in the game. Also, follow the people. It’s all about who you’d be working for and what they’ve consistently done.
Make as much as you can as quickly as you can so you can get out as soon as you can. Your book won’t matter when you get made redundant (which you will regardless if you stay or leave) and find yourself competing with thousands of other younger, hungrier, more talented people than you.
The industry does not care about you. Squeeze as much out of it as you can and then go open a bar on a beach.
Same.
…wait.
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You gotta jump. Always jump.
Jump. Make money climb. Keep networking. Never know where your career will head or what merger will change the cool agency into a boring one.
Don’t worry about the name on the door being ‘less than’ or perceived as a downgrade. Grey was the ‘worst’ place to go then Tor came in and changed everything. If you can get a bookworthy piece out of the new place, leave. Take the money. It’s true the industry doesn’t care about you.
In this economy I would jump in a heartbeat for $40k. I love the work that I do but it’s hard to ride with that knowing that I’m feeling set back in life because of money
Stay put.
Best advice ever given to me is “the money and titles will come. Go where the work is. Like the fun, worthwhile, creative-led work is. The rest of the shit will come before you know it, and you’ll be much happier when it does”
A year isn’t that long of a time to wait for everyday tranquility vs take the money now and do worse work because your unhappy (but unhappy WITH a title) :/
jump ship and keep networking. left a reputable agency for a title and pay bump at a mid tier. got poached from the mid tier a year in for a lateral move and another pay bump at another top agency.
wasn’t my plan at all but prioritized myself when opportunity presented itself, especially after 4+ years of patience at the first agency that kept me stagnant growth & compensation wise. 🤷♂️
TL:DR - having experience and a strong portfolio at a top agency once can be enough leverage should you do a stint at a less notable company.
If it’s all about the money, start your own agency. Unlimited earning potential. If not, sounds like you value the vibe, and “big fun clients” can provide that for sure.
New agency has hypotheticals. Might be risky. How’s the team?
Bounce bby